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11 Dec 2017 09:05:48
So we are 5th, with 37 points, 6 at the time of writing off 2nd and 11 off 1st. We've got a 4 point cushion from anyone outside the top 6 but we've got teams from 8th and above in our next 4 out of 5 games. We've got to this point really without 2 of our best players from last year Kodjia and Jedinak, and our other injuries along the way speak for themselves so Bruce needs major credit for where we are, had we had no injuries would be up there with possibly Cardiff? I'd say so. But looking at the squad now and who's coming back, I hope to god that their working round the clock for a goal scorer on the first of Jan. Every team needs a regular goal scorer, at the moment we've got Adomah but he's a winger and we can't rely on him, if we added someone who will score at least one every 2 games I seriously think we can still charge up to second. The sooner we find one the better; Ulloa, Ings, Nahki Wells, James Wilson, Barnes, Vokes, Long, Wickham - have all either scored goals at this level, or you'd bank on them scoring regular. You add that to our team and we're getting 3/ 4 every week, and in the big games against the better teams we've got a threat upfront. Davis has been a revelation this season and the way he holds the ball up and battles has been paramount to our success, but if he could score aswell we'd be pushing second, and until he finds his scoring form we won't be reaching higher than play offs.

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11 Dec 2017 14:18:16
Chris I agree with your post 100%
My choice of striker is alloa.
If Bruce gets the right one in we will be there abouts come end of season,
But play like we did on Saturday you can forget it
Very disappointed with that display and if millwall had won they deserved it,
I wish Bruce would get o'hare more involved,
With gabby nearly back into squad o'hares chances of every being involved with get less and less,
But next 4 games will tell us where we could end up at end of season,

11 Dec 2017 15:49:58
Add Lewis grabban as another striker I would take,

11 Dec 2017 19:32:18
Out of the names mentioned I'd go for Wickham

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12 Dec 2017 08:30:24
We should be looking further away to find a goal scorer. Other clubs find quality players to take on loan so why can't AVFC?
Sometimes I wonder if we still suffer from Lerneritus and are reluctant to ask about certain players.
When did we last get a player that was a valued first team player?
We lost a team of players to predators and ok they wanted to go, but we should be expecting our management to be doing better.
Bruce has bought in many players that there clubs were reluctant to release, Kodjia, Lansbury etc .
However none are starlight players.
Other championship clubs are grabbing younger players on loan and we should be in there.
I would like to say "we are AVFC" but at present it means nothing, it's almost a curse. It also means we will pay inflated fees.
Do we have a list of targets? I hope so.
We have in our ranks players that could carry us up to the prem, and I want that well before I take my last breath.
So come on Bruce and other decision makers, remove your digit and get us a headliner to find the net on a re gulag basis.
Ffp will hold us back so get rid of the no hopes and get our younger players into play and an "Andy Gray" to lead us.

12 Dec 2017 15:30:18
Good post Oldvillan, I agree totally.
One point I feel needs addressing just as much is our midfield, we desperately need a ball player/ playmaker too feed our front men.
If we don`t sort these area`s we will fall short come the seasons end.

12 Dec 2017 16:25:47
Hourihane was signed for that but he’s always too deep, when he gets forward he unlocks doors. Same with Lansbury. When we play 2 midfielders with a number 10 the two mids end up sitting back, should look to play Jedinak/ Whelan and then Hourihane and Lansbury and give one of them the number 10 role.

10 Dec 2017 12:16:13
Injuries and ffp is going to halt villas push for playoffs this is the time in jan when we need to spend but we can't because of stupid ffp that doesn't make sense at all, to make things worst wolves are going to spend 20mil so, hoq come they haven't been hit by ffp because surely they don't earn what they have spent over the last 2 transfer windows, i just think this rule sucks, then you have prem teams spending 300mil an over teams round euro leagues spending 220mil on 1 player. i think if there is a rule it should be in every league to make it fair not relax the rule in certain leagues because fifa scared of manu, city, barca, an realmadrid . sorry to go on but don't get ffp.

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10 Dec 2017 16:39:21
I have mentioned this topic so many times mate it's a disgrace but there's nothing we can do on ther other hand we shouldn't of wasted money on Ross mcormack and hogan wolves have loaned a lot mate they don't buy much.

09 Dec 2017 19:53:02
Mike where lucky today, to only have one shot on target, was unbelievable . Since he came back rom suspension, Taylor has gone backwards . He looks lacking in confidence and so indecisive, he never plays a quick ball Snoddy is another one, who had a bad game today . He couldent pass warter today . Landsbury and Weelen played well and kept our midfield going . I never thought I'd be saying it, but I hope Samba isn't to bad . He was great today, never missed anything in the air . If needs be, next game I'd put Hutton in there, he was getting tackles in and covering all across the back again today . We certainly need something sorting for next game, we need an injection of energy . Why not give OHare a shot, he would certainly add energy and passion . Onomah looks like he could do with a rest, I was surprised when he wasent replaced by Jack today . Another game that at least we didn't loose Pluss another clean sheet . Next game Derby, we will need to up our game . Onwards&Upwards Villaforever.

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09 Dec 2017 18:05:56
I would like to know the thoughts of others on the team performance today.
Millwall took the game to us and kept Johnson hands warm for sure.
How can we only get one shot on target in the whole game?
Let us not trot out our injuries, there are ten players on the pitch, surely one of them could have hit the targeT.

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09 Dec 2017 22:08:12
Looked very stale all over the team today. Sam J kept us at least the one point with another excellent performance. I suppose when grinding out results as we have of late we will get days like today! Massive next 3 with Rams, Bakers new crew and blunted blades of late! going to be a month to push on or fall behind! Trust Bruce to examine today and adjust accordingly UTV.

10 Dec 2017 15:34:17
Millwall are the sort of team we always struggle against over the years,
Let's be honest they deserved to win the game,
I said in earlier post I fancied a 1-0 win but a bore draw would not supprise me,
Next 4 games are a very strong test for us and could be a pivotal part of the season,

09 Dec 2017 09:48:46
Is Bruce really considering giving gabby another contract?
He he mad or what,
Gabby is not the player he was when he first come in the team,
He seems to have injurys on a regular basis and they are long injurys
He should be released when contract is up in my opinion
We already have Richards on big wages and not doing a think to help the squad,
Villa do have a bad record of having players on payroll which has been wasted money for the club,
Anyway enough of gabby and co,
1-0 win is my prediction for today.

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09 Dec 2017 10:43:36
I think the words were, “gabby could still earn a contract” if he scored 30 goals an won us the league I’d give him a contract. From what Bruce said at the minute he isn’t getting a new deal.

09 Dec 2017 14:34:06
Chris for Bruce to even think of giving him another contract
Is stupid,
He has done nothing for us for years the very odd goal is not what We need in my opinion
Bruce should be giving the likes of o'hare and Hayes more game time,
See o'hare not in squad again?

09 Dec 2017 17:37:40
As I said if he scored 30 goals between now and the end of the season it would be stupid to not give him a contract. Bruce is just stating facts, he hasn’t said he’s considering giving him a contract, he said he can still earn one, which he could, in a similar situation to the one I’ve mentioned.

10 Dec 2017 13:08:05
Just let gabby leave along with Richards
Only trouble with that is nobody wants them!

07 Dec 2017 13:21:17
Right people We heard a few ideas who people want the club to sign, so who in January do you want out of the club to raise funds? Also what's everybodys view on HS2 Going straight through Bodymore Heath its a serious problem for the club.

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07 Dec 2017 19:09:21
WTW sometimes I do wonder where you get your info from mate, HS2 is going to destroy the academy training pitches that’s it. It isn’t going “right through bodymoore Heath” by any stretch of the imagination. Training pitches can be relocated, their not first team and they can moved to other parts of the same site, all it would mean is youth players maybe having a longer walk. The main issue is the noise level, And how it may effect training sessions for the first team. When it was redone it was state of the art, and it’s still one of the best in the country now after all this time, however it is bricks and mortar, HS2 have to pay for the parts they plan to destroy (youth pitches) and should the noise level be proven to be of a certain level that would significantly disrupt sessions they would have to pay compensation to the club. In that case we take the opportunity to move and rebuild and give ourselves a state of the art complex once again. Training machines etc can be reused, then we find a new site and with the money from HS2 the new project would come at a lesser cost to us. Not a huge problem at the minute in my book. As for players, main position is striker, we need a tall strong striker who will take the weight of Davis’ shoulders whilst everyone seems to be crocked. I only say tall strong as the way we play that’s when we get the most out of the rest of the players in the team, we have seen Hogan types don’t work.

07 Dec 2017 20:57:17
Murray, Benteke, Gayle, Long, Austin.
Murray and Austin and Gayle are instinctive strikers and this is what we lack.
Are they available?
In the crazy world we live in who knows.
We could lose Elphick, Richards, deLaet, Gabby Bunn, Elmohamady, McCormack, Tishbola.
Are Gollini and Gil still on loan?
So much dead wood.
Cant sell Hogan, injured.

07 Dec 2017 22:42:59
I like your ambition Oldvillain but the only one of them 5 that would even be close to available would be Long, and even then your looking at possible transfer fee that we can’t afford and there would be plenty of struggling prem sides wanting him. Think we’ll be looking at loaning a youngster, be good if we can find a Tammy Abraham the way Bristol did last year.

08 Dec 2017 15:42:50
Question, how do some "lesser" clubs get good quality youngster from the big 6 to join them on loan?
We shoold be the biggest draw in the championship but who do we get?
Somewhere along the way as a club we fail but who is to blame for this failure?
Our loans are around 30 years of age, almost past it. Someone has to pull their finger out.

08 Dec 2017 18:08:56
We've got onomah (England u21), Snodgrass who cost 10m and a decent keeper on loan. I would say they have pulled their fingers out.

08 Dec 2017 19:04:05
Not going to throw names in here, but there's got to be a market for players who represent a 'lesser' country in next years World Cup, that are warming the bench at their clubs, without a sniff of a regular run. I'm thinking someone who's a superstar in Africa or wherever but plays for Milan or Sevilla etc, Scandinavian players even?

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08 Dec 2017 22:27:14
Lesser clubs garuantee playing time, unless we’re getting someone who walks into our first team we can’t garuantee a youngster is going to get minutes so it’s pointless clubs letting them out to us.

06 Dec 2017 15:09:19
reasonably happy with where we are and how we are progressing. Just a little concerned at how O Hare is being treated The lad is full of energy, creativity and has a goal threat, and would be good to help Davis, but he cannot get any game time. Onomoha gets the game time but has looked tired lately. For me it is time to give him a rest and put in O'Hare with Lansbury instead of Hurihane as he looks shattered as well.
team for me Saturday
Johnstone
Hutton
Chester
Samba
Taylor
Wheelen
uncle Albert
Snoddy
Lansbury
O Hare
Davis

Bench
Grealish
Hurihane
Elohamody
Bunn
Onomoha
DeLeat
Suliman.

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06 Dec 2017 16:48:29
Don’t think you can bench Onomah and not plays grealish there after Leeds, would be a very strange decision. I think the team should stay largely the same, definitely keeper and back 4. After that the two in the middle is tricky because although he hasn’t done as much going forward Hourihane has been reading the game brilliantly lately, getting backward aswell as forward, Whelan at the minute is our only defensive midfielder option with Jedinak injured, and Lansbury was immense when he came on against Leeds and given license to get forward he can win games on his own. So really has to be Whelan and one of the other two, the widemen pick themselves really and Davis is the only option up top. That only leaves the number 10, is go for Grealish, he was a breath of fresh air against Leeds, I’d forgotten how good technically he was. Onomah needs dropping he was awful against Leeds. O’hare Should definitely be making the bench, his energy in the last 30 can change a game.

06 Dec 2017 22:12:40
Agree chris. I think grealish in for onomah. definitely put ohare on the bench for thor. What more has ohare got to do to get game time? He nets for fun in the u23s and we are crying out for attacking players atm. Watch Bruce put agbonlahor on the bench as he's had a weeks training under his belt!

07 Dec 2017 07:35:26
To be fair, I don’t like him but I’d have abonglahor on the bench because at the moment we don’t have a striker to swap Davis with, so whether he’s playing good or bad (Leeds) he has to stay on, also without a striker on the bench we can’t really change the system, the way we start games the 451 is easily swapped to a 442 if you’ve got a second striker. My bench would be
Steer
Elmo
Elphic
Lansbury/ Hourihane (whoever isn’t starting)
Onomah/ Grealish (whoever isn’t starting)
O’hare
Gabby (swap him with Kodjia or hogan when one of them is fit)

08 Dec 2017 08:36:19
I think anomah should be dropped and grealish in his place,
I agree with Chris about o'hare he should be more involved but Bruce seems to leave him out the squad altogether which I think is wrong,
Gabby who I am not a fan at all would have to come on the bench only because we have not a forward to come on for Davis,
Leave the team as it is at moment except for that grealish in
For anomah.
As for the game against millwall we should win but again another banana skin game which we foul up many times,
1-0 for me to villa.
But would not suppriss if it was a bore draw.
Come on you lions!

05 Dec 2017 18:16:12
I think Bruce has had a decent season thus far, but I would like to see him rotating the team a bit better.

About 5 or 6 games into the season he really got the structure and balance right. If you have the balance right and a number of 'like for like' players. I really think you can rotate more.

For example Mourinio plays the same tean week in and week out just like Bruce. He ends up with a lot of injuries, and his players are buggered at the end of the season.

Furguson was the master of rotation, and it is different to tinkering. Rotation, you are keeping your spine, and what works, and roatating 1 or 2 players that are like for like every week.

These players can be rotated.

Grealish for Onamah
Hourihane for Lansbury
Taylor for Hutton
O'hare for Snodgrass
Jed for Samba for Terry
Lyden for Whelan

And a few more i'm sure.

Just 1 or 2 changes a week. You can keep players fresh, increase competition, develop youth and keep squad players happy. whilst keeping the spine and stucture and increase performance.

He has to rotate his squad based on injuries and it ends up being retroactive.

Thats what makes sense to me anyway.

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05 Dec 2017 19:25:43
I agree in principle, and on paper, and on places like this it makes sense, but you need the right sort of player, and the right quality with to replace.

Ferguson did this, you are right, and his squad players became legends, look at the little Norwegian! But his whole squad oozed quality, and world beaters, ours doesn’t, and in my opinion is fragile, I feel with this team, momentum is everything, not just with the results, but with the formation, and who’s in the team.
For me, we have a starting 11, that is a mid table prem side, we then have 11 more players trying to break in, that are a bottom 3 prem side.
If we mix them, the lesser players ‘could’ raise their games, but the opposite could also happen. And we can’t risk this.

We have to have a side that only the best play in, so if you make the team, you know you are there because you are the best on the day. We can’t have average players thinking they are playing because somebody else is resting. They know they won’t play the next week, so could be distracted, and cost us.

For me rotation works only with the very best.

Injuries happen through three things,

1) accident, bad tackle, trip etc
2) poor philosophy, warming up and down poorly, food and life style
3) poor mentality, anger, frustration etc

These guys are elite, two three matches a week, (180-270 minutes! ) will not kill them.

Pmsl at comparing Brucie with Ferguson and the chosen one!

05 Dec 2017 19:47:44
Last line sounds condescending, wasn’t meant like that at all, so I apologise! Just made me laugh that he mentionyin the same breath, I’m one of Brucies biggest allies on here, and I have to admit he is fit to lace their boots!

Sorry VillaSA wasn’t meant to patronise. Just a different opinion.

05 Dec 2017 20:06:31
Alright let's retract compare and say rather a facet of a broader strategy that I am comparing to greater managers that everyone can identify with.

Yes I do agree with your reasons for injury, however muscle fatigue can hit a player at anytime regardless how fit and elite they are, that's when long term injuries happen.

In terms of our starting team, I think its the most cohesion we have had in years. a lot of our fringe youth haven't been able to develop in our previous teams as our team and tactics changed like the weather.

Our team is pretty stable. I really think how can it be disastorous. Eg swap Whelan for Lyden one week and keep the core team. He can only improve in that enviroment.

05 Dec 2017 20:08:34
No stress Flackie, never took it that way.

05 Dec 2017 21:19:30
Thanks mate. glad you took it as it was meant!

05 Dec 2017 21:57:46
Lyden can’t replace anyone, he’s just had a serious operation yesterday.

05 Dec 2017 22:25:42
Well isn't that great news.

06 Dec 2017 12:50:55
Great thread and replies. I tend to agree with Flacks on this one momentum is the key I can't remember the last time we had a decent and stable side although VILLASA I can see where your coming from but it's all about getting out of this horrid league it's easier said than done so for me keep the same 11 each week until injuries or suspensions dictate what happens but great posts fellas.

05 Dec 2017 17:23:39
Is this site still the Villa site or what.

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05 Dec 2017 05:48:11
At least the City fans are well organised in their fancy dress. They've all come dressed as seats.

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05 Dec 2017 11:24:58
Funniest post for a long time!

05 Dec 2017 16:02:02
You can sit on the back of the bus with the cool kids for this thread TOTL, don't get comfortable though.

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