Aston Villa Banter Archive November 01 2014 to December 01 2014

01 Dec 2014 18:56:43
Interesting comment from a prem. manager who likes to play a passing game. He simply told the players to lump it into the opposing box. Perhaps that is where it goes wrong at VP? The payers ty to pass the ball too often and should follow suit and lump it into the box. Stood big Sam well for years but he has changed. However when needed Hammers still lump it for Carol to stick her head on it.
More positive, 3 points 3 games, cross your fingers for at least another point tomorrow. Ben back, Okores and Clark look like they can play together, signs looking better. More forward balls less sideways, a la Wilkins, and we could get somewhere.
I don't care if it ain't pretty providing we get points!

Oldvillan
It ain`t been pretty all season and we still don't win points.
As fans we know what is needed on the pitch.
Lambert must go mate, simple as.

Accept the fact, PL is going nowhere. His boss knows he is doing as instructed which means his job is safe. What we want is of no interest to Lerner, if it did he would have invested. There maybe managers out there that can do a better job as the fans see it, but it ain't going to happen.

Oldvillain, although I agree with you to some extent, I do feel you overstate the "Lambert is only following orders" idea.
Yes, Lerner has clearly tightened the purse strings but his great crime is one of apathy rather than some great conspiracy
We are not a top six side with the money invested in recent years and that is Lerner's fault; We also should not be a bottom six side with the
investment made and that is squarely Lambert's fault.
If this goes on Lerner will relieve Lambert of his duties; make no mistake
Lerner is a lot of things but an person is not one of them

29 Nov 2014 17:37:10
Go to go.
Now !

28 Nov 2014 16:47:41
We must be the worst run club in the premier, if not the whole of football. its getting to the point now where i not that interested, and i never thought i would get to that point. Thanks randy

28 Nov 2014 18:04:01
I would now like to see Laursen and Melberg at this club they are villa through and through and would bring a bit of freshness one can dream

In what capacity villajk

28 Nov 2014 20:20:49
manager and assistant

Lambert not gone yet.
I agree they were great players for the club.
No pedigree there as far as management is concerned.
We can not afford to gamble on the next guy, we need to push the boat out and go for a seasoned and proven manager.

Earlier this season some posters were stating that we should have got Rogers when he was available. Look at him now, spent £200m and joint favourite for the sack. Lerner has never given PL a quarter of that money. Lesson to be learnt here, be careful what we wish for! I still maintain that throughout the club from Lerner down to the players there is a complacency that spreads. Players must own the problem on the pitch, and Lerner must give a different direction as to what he requires from PL. AND YES I ACCEPT THAT PL MUST DO BETTER, but the funding has to be there for him to if he has any chance of survival which seems doubtful.

Really can't get any worse. not that I thought keane bought much to Vp. But with no assistant. PL in cloud cuckoo. A chairmen that don't give two s***s. All we need now is to get turned over by burnley. That'll just be the final nail in the coffin for me. Any fancy cheering me up with some positives.

25 Nov 2014 22:38:38
I'm fed up with this carp that's on with villa, I have a few questions maybe you guys can come up with an Answear for them, 1st why did we bring in joe cole I'm not sure what his wage is I'm guessing here but must be around 30k a week if his getting that his yearly wage is 1. 680 mill to sit on the bench every week 2nd what is keane role orther than chewing gum all game 3rd why is Westwood in the squad 4th why is ANdi in the squad 5th on most important how come lambert is allowed the drag this once great club that was respected all over Europe and know for it's youth system still at your club, Answear on a post card please to mr Lerner who doesn't seem to be bothered to here the fans

Hi Villamick.

You are spot on mate, have you also noticed how lethargic Lambert is with his Interviews, no passion, no idea.
Have to agree with you.
I have had it mate, I have lost a lot of my enthusiasm.

I can't moan so fed up, PL should go

25 Nov 2014 09:44:24
I didn't think we would get much last night, it was a good point against a good team yeah they had an off game but ask yourself why, was it because we played our normal game been tight on our men 2 banks off 4 when don't have the ball and hit them on the break, we are missing big ben in a big way we got a lot of crosses in lastnight but with nothing on the end of them, vlarr should be let leave when was the last time he has played 5 games on the bounce for us, okore has proved he is more than able to cover him with on off the inform strikers not getting a look in lastnight, Westwood dosent give us much at all just keeps passing to the side or backwards Andi hasn't got a clue what to with the ball when he gets it just wants to get rid of it as soon as has it and gabby looked sharp maybe a bit overweight but look up for it, We have a decent squad these are the players we should build around guzan hutton okore cissokho maybe senderos he has done alright for use MIDFIELD delph sanchez cleverly gabby he prefers to be running at the defence rather than having is back turned to them, grealish but not yet he isiant readyFORWARDS, benteke kozak the rest some are squad players others I would just get rid we have the makeings of a good squad I just hope we can address the bad players during the window

Hi Irishvillan
In short a bit of a mess then.
You forgot Lambert where would you stick him !!!

Irishvillan I'm agreeing with you and seems somebody at villa park is aswell with bent on his way out the door so be it on loan, I would have to agree with villa dave as well lambert needs to go it seems parking the bus and hit on the counter is all he had learned as a coach, but eventually teams are going to learn to drop off gabby because he is the only one that has a bit of pace, I think the only way forward for this club is to let our voices be heard look what the hammers done big Sam only want long ball when he first went there the fans voiced there opinion and now they play quite good football they didn't need to break the bank either, Irishvillan your players you named are the best of the squad and it wouldn't coast much to get a good solid team with them

14 Nov 2014 23:43:17
I think, under unrelenting pressure Paul Lambert is doing the best he can with the resources available to him. He has an owner who has lost interest, and just wants to dump the club. I'm amazed that no group of investors can see the the potential.
1 GLORIOUS HISTORY
2 HUGE CATCHMENT AREA
3 LITTLE LOCAL COMPETION {sorry Baggies)
4 WORLDWIDE FAN BASE
5 ONE OF ONLY 6 CLUBS NOT RELEGATED FROM PREMIERSHIP SINCE INCEPTION
6 ICONIC STADIUM prime for expansion
7A GENUINE ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY
I don't think Villa are anywhere near ready for a top 4 slot for years. But we should be the equal of Spurs, Everton etc.
I can remember seeing Crystal Palace, Swansea and Southampton playing at Walsall. Now we are out of their league.
The Premiership today is a division of the haves and have nots, it isn't about history, stadiums or fans. It is about owners with deep pockets. We shall have to be patient, someone will come along and have the vision to give the West Midlands a club that can join, and break this monopoly of North West and London powerbase.

It, s not a question of Lambert or Lerner being culpable.
We are in this mess because both of them are equally dreadful
Apologists for Lambert are becoming a rarity. He has to go or we are down for certain

Malcolm j
Surely its time to stop all this "he is working under pressure", "he doesn't get enough to spend", "what if rubbish".
Lambert is not good enough to manage our club.
The way he is going he will set another unwanted record at Villa Park "The least goals scored in a season"
And please don't suggest its not down to him.
He has to go NOW

100 % with you on this one Villadave
Can't believe there are still people defending the bloke
What is it about Lambert that generates such devotion ?
He's hardly charismatic is he

{Ed001's Note - maybe it is his lengthy track record of success.....oh wait sorry not much of that either is there? I don't get it either I have to say.}

Mendax / Ed.

I think its fair to say there have been many managers over the years that have had relatively good track records, but are found seriously wanting at bigger clubs, especially when expectations are so high.
Lerner should hear and see this, and take the hit.
Pay the man up and move on, Lerner could save face here if he does the right thing NOW.

07 Nov 2014 20:11:25
Some more BANTER.
How about this then, see below for some shocking facts about Lamberts Reign.
How can anyone be happy with the man.
I know the team have failed as well but V/POOR.

The biggest defeat in Aston Villa's Premier League history (Chelsea 8 - Aston Villa 0);

In his first season in charge at Aston Villa, he managed to guide us to our worst ever Premier League start;

He is the first manager to have been in charge of Aston Villa for two or more seasons not to achieve a top ten finish;

Most home defeats in a single season - ever;

Most defeats over a whole season in our Premier League history (twenty);

Most goals conceded over a whole season in our Premier League history (sixty);

Five defeats in a row, without scoring, for the first time in the club's history;

Six defeats in a row for the first time in our Premier League history; the record actually stretches back some forty-seven years;

The first manager to lose to a fourth tier team over two legs in a Cup semi-final;

First time Villa have been eliminated from Cup competitions by lower league opposition three years in a row;

Twenty-three defeats in thirty-six games is the worst run any manager of Aston Villa has ever had.

Where do you buy your anoraks Dave? All interesting firsts but they make no difference. A month ago a prem. manager was being hounded by the fans but 4 games later he is a hero. I want to see our club doing better, let's face it, that won't be hard. However PL is not going anywhere, he is Lerners man and he will cost a lot to remove. Regardless PL s unfortunate position as manager, players must carry some of the blame. PL didn't get Ben sent off and if he had stayed on the pitch a good result was on the cards. Most papers gave the team better marks than Spuds, are we to believe that we are better than so many rated observers? The team do seem to have a mass of injuries, Okore, Hutton, Senderos, Delph (jumping ship 2015). A few lightweights and some favourites that need to go. Sanchez is a different type of player, he looks for the ball and moves to get it, most of them wait for the ball. Why? It's not coaching it's willingness to take responsibility, owning the ball. I said to Mendax that he probably played a bit and perhaps you did. Did you need to be coached to put yourself in a position to receive the ball? I didn't! Our luck is out and players are affected by this but hopefully one win will alter the attitude on the pitch. Yes I am an optimist but that has to be better than the alternative.

Hi Oldvillan.
Trying to get the site going a bit mate.
I am just pointing out some facts that are at best alarming.
As I have said before I agree the players have to shoulder the blame as well, but let's get real, a decent manager would see who is and who is not performing and make the required changes.
Mr Lambert seems oblivious to the fact.
We have injuries yes, but that's football, try something else.
Yes I did play football years ago mate,
Inter Volante was one side I played for, under Joe Volante, No 10 in fact Also spent a lot of time in the Coronation League.

What`s the bit about Anoraks ????

There is truly something heroic about your boundless optimism Oldvillain
(however misplaced it is)
God love ya !

Listening to a few managers over the weekend, both top and lower leagues and they are all making the same statement in one way or another. "When you cross the line it is down to the players, not coaching and formations they mean nothing"
How many times did we see the team come out and raise their games?
A month ago NUFC were screaming for Pardew to be sacked, now on Tyneside he is the Mesiah with 5 straight wins.
I am not saying that PL is the greatest, or even the worst, but he is what we have and I believe that the players must own the problem, stand up and be counted, too many give less than their best.

Dave, anoraks have immense amount of detail to hand, like which, what, when etc.

Birmingham works AFA and some other leagues, 1958/ 1969.

70 years a standing fan, seen the best Saunders, seen the worst Joe Mercer.

Those were the days Oldvillan.

My dad took me down to Villa park when I was 5, the great man Gerry Hitchens was playing for Cardiff then.
Made my day when we signed him.

Great memories Hey.

Do you remember 21 goals in 3 games? 11-0 against Charlton ( 5 for Scratchins) first goal in the 21st minute. 60000 in the ground for a 2nd div match against Cardiff who were second at the time. We will never see this again, shame!
I sound like a bloody anorak.

11 Nov 2014 16:04:34
As a10yr old/ terrible Villa team , Peter Broadbent thin and skinny took 2 players out of the game by doing a dummy first bit of true skill seen by me ,stayed in my mind,did it my self Monday at school, what a player he must have been in his prime

Oldvillan.

I do remember it, and a little better than you I think.
I was 11 - 1 mate.
I was not there that day I Had to go to my Nans.

Hey the site is improving. Give us your greatest memories over the years instead of worrying about the present. We can't change tomorrow but we can relish the past. At least we won things!!

Blimey Old Villain, I know we all like to reminisce but this is a site about Villa today rather than days gone by, surely ?

{Ed001's Note - it is a site to talk about Villa, no matter when. Why shouldn't people talk about the past?}

No reason at all Ed. Other than our history makes me even more upset at our current state
Personally speaking, I'm more interested on where Villa are or where they seem to be going rather than whey have been.

{Ed001's Note - well then you can easily just skip past these threads to those kind of ones.}

03 Nov 2014 15:15:05
My god it's getting harder to watch this every week, what chance do we have when we only average 1 shot on target every game and we can't keep clean sheets, I knew last night if spuds got 1 goal they would go on to win, we just can't defend we stoped pushing on once we scored and sat back, no craft what so ever, sancez looks to have a bit about him but Westwood just isiant good enough and I think spuds had an off day and made us look a lot better that what we were, Big Ben is playing long enough now to know u can't touch anybody in the face, once he left the pitch it was lights out for us, A i think lambert should call it a day and walk he has had his chance, I don't think moyes could do anything with the current crop of rubbish we have I just don't know who would at the moment, look at out bench gabby richerdson cole bent there is any amount of talent in the squad just the coaching isiant right,

Hi Villamick.
I agree with most of what you say, the part about Moyes I am not sure.
I Know for sure he coaches his players far better on the technical side of the game than we do, and I also think he is a better tactition, and has more than one plan in place if things go wrong.
Forget all about Man Utd, he was on a loser from day one.
I Know not everyone will agree but I feel he would fit us like a glove.