Aston Villa Banter Archive October 01 2013 to October 31 2013

28 Oct 2013 22:10:10
Anyone think we should bring back ash young?

After all the boos he has got from the fans every time we have played Man U I don't think he would want to come back. Also at at least 100k a week I don't think we would want to pay the wages when we could have 4 players at 25k a week.

Not in any way!

We need an old head in the middle of the park to control and encourage the players. let's forget this crap about youngsters, they are all in their 20's and by today's standards this is not young. Not even Ash Young. He is selfish and has a huge ego and that is what is not needed at VP.

If Lambert and Lerner and Faulkner plus any others can't see this then perhaps we should consider a wholesale change throughout the club.

There have been enough reality checks for everybody involved to be aware of and they have had time to change.

PL is not a bad manager but it appears that he may be following instructions from above and unless these change we ain't going anywhere.

Marc Albrighton goes on loan name me one of PL buys except benteke who has played as well when not injured

Yes we do need someone in the middle of the park to control and encourage the players but who can we attract currently other than a mercenary type who would want a massive pay day which has got us to this in this trouble in the first place. We are not the top side delusional fans think we still are at the moment or the last few seasons, so players don’t want to come to a possible relegation battle like last season. But with the players we have got so far we have done exceptionally well with a lot more points on the board than last season. It has been hard for Lambert as he has not been able to get his main midfield targets but has had to rethink and take the risk and buy cheaper players who ‘do a job’ but not the exceptional class we want or need. Hopefully the rebuild continues and maybe in Jan Lambert will attract his man or men we didn’t in the summer, purse strings allowed. So let's all have a bit of realism here and support the team and manager.

I agree. I can't believe people know more about the villa team than Lamberts who is there every training session and no what he has got and what he can spend I think people need to become a bit more realistic about villa these days

I don't think it's a case of fans not being realistic about "Villa these days"
The problem is that we all realise what that that new found realism means i. e sub standard cheaper players and a relegation battle. What exactly is the plan these days? Lerner, now more than ever, needs to speak up

Mendax agree, I would rather 1 quality player than 6 poor players I include kozak villajk

I can't actually fault many of lamberts signings.7 million for benteke is a steal and he's done many more et lowton westwood bacuna vlaar bringing back Guzan and a few more so let's not start getting on his back about the signings just yet

AVFCLEGEND

Lowton westwood are one season wonders, Guzan benteke great, no one else is class

I may be being a little glass half empty but what about Bennett, Kozak, El Ahamadi?
Vlaar has been a liability at times and Westwood's talents have been hugely exagerrated
The jury is still out on Tonev.

A little glass empty is how those quality players are looking at us so they don't want to come to Villa Park. They want Chump League football or 50k + a week which we are not going to pay any more.

Simply going back to an earlier post about needing an older head. Just one signing could alter all of the problems that we identify. The players are not "kids" they are full grown men and quite able to complete the role that Lambert asks of them. let's ignore this "youngster" claim and face the facts, there is no one to control our team on the pitch. I go back many years and look at many teams that have been successful and they have always had an outstanding midfield player. Imagination and style, matched to other players industry, unsung but doing a job. Mortimer was our imagination in 1981, but he had Bremner alongside. Yes I know he had a forward line that was very good, however if the midfield failed they also failed.

One player is all we need. Who this man is I don't know but if Lambert wants to move forward he should be ready to move in January by identifying that player already and be prepared to pay real money to ensure that he wears our colours asap.
Any ideas out there who would be the player to take on this role?

Reply to above if that's the case we will eventually go down, we get more support, better ground than Southampton swansea and others above us, RL must let PL buy some class or sell, Liverpool have do much better than us despite wasting about £60000000, cough up leaner the Liverpool owners have backed there manager

We are in danger of becoming a club like Wolves or the Baggies
ie chuffed to be in the big league playing with the big kids but in the back of our minds knowing that because of the way the club is structured, in terms of wages etc, there is always the likelihood that we will spend a couple of seasons in the lower leagues
I know it's a very intoxicating idea that we might be able to pluck players from relative obscurity, lead them on some glorious crusade against the top clubs, whilst spending a fraction of their wage bill, lead by a swash buckling no nonsense dour Scotsman. But the truth is, it ain't going to happen or if it does happen, it is not going to last
At some point, we either accept the economic reality of the league we are in and try to devise a way of living with it or we face the consequences. I like it as little as anybody but that is the truth of the matter

It takes money to build a squad, time to mold it, and patience to bring it up in quality and imagination to win matches! we have it all coming to us and we are not going to go down ever so to all the tripe above I can only say lol!

In reply lol don't mean to be sarcastic but as you said it takes money we don't seem to have, how can you mold poor players, we don't buy quality {money}were dose the imagination come from, you should read Mendax reality villajk

What a to---r, "we are not going down ever". Which planet do you come from?
The moon ain't made of cheese.
What most are saying is that we need a bit extra and that bit extra is the pack leader. Midfield maestro, the general, what ever you want to call him, but we need it sooner not later. Lerner wants a prem. side so he must fund the transfer of a infuential play maker. None of us want to watch champs football so something has to happen. Come on Randy, give the fans what they want, a prem side that will hold its own in the top half not fight to stay in the prem.

If you think one class midfield player would make this team you must believe in the fairies

You can't compare villa to a club as big as Liverpool

I agree, we don't just need a midfielder, we need someone class in midfield defense and we definately need a winger. Agbonlahor and Weiman can be unplayable on there day (especially agbonlahor). I think victor Fischer because he can play attacking midfielder or on the wing

Villa would be as big as Liverpool we have a better ground, more history. If the team played entertaining football with real class players villa park would be packed

The season we would of gone was last season if we where to go down when our squad was the weakest we ever had but now the likes of carruthers grealish getting game time nzogbia stevens hutton given bent to move on and replace, throwing money at something is not answer, what is being done is the best for club for now and the future! Once it allsorted I am sure lerner will open the purse strings and by young quality but until then lambert will keep us in the leauge!

In agreement with many, we need 2 quality midfield players, an out and out winger and a top class centre half
With 2 quality midfield players alongside him, I really believe Delph would flourish, so in effect, we would get 3 for 2.
A left back and genuine no 10 wouldn't go amiss either but now I'm being greedy

Villa have more history than Liverpool? We have won one European cup. How many have Liverpool won? I think your getting a bit carried away.

History did not start in the year1970, villa have more history fact, better ground, a class team and villa park would be full, so a better fan base Fact.

Arguing about the history of clubs is sort of pointless, surely?
What I'm interested in is Villa's future

So what did villa do before 1970? Win an occasional fa and league. Liverpool did that to! Also I would argue against the fact that villa have the better fan base as liverpool have fans all around the world

So what history do Villa have before 1970?
Check the records.
7 FA cup wins
4 League cup wins.
In the top 4 of all time achievments
Poss. the first major transfer after WW11 ( Stan Lynn)
etc etc etc
What history do LFC have prior to 1970?

That was in 100 years we won 7 fa cups. And the league cup is nothing and I'm sure Liverpool won as much as that

Prior to 1970 they won F -- A-- {Ed001's Note - really? You are talking complete nonsense, ignorant nonsense. Liverpool won the league title in 1900-01, 1905-06, 1921-22, 1922-23, 1946-47, 1963-64, 1965-66, all of those were prior to 1970, unless I am mistaken. But apart from those 7 league titles, oh and an FA Cup in the 60s too, you are right. This argument is so childish and pathetic.}

Well said Ed
I hope that draws a line under this nonsense {Ed001's Note - if I am editing it will as I will just delete posts continuing it. May as well argue over whose dad is bigger, before you ask it is defo not mine!}

Anyone know what's happened to Gary Gardner never here is name mentioned

It must be hard for the younger players to take when they see poor PL cheap buys play. when they know they are better just a thought

How do you know they are better when most of them have never played in the premier league? As I've said before I think lambert knows his players more that we do.

28 Oct 2013 09:25:12
Once again who was out of position for Toffees first goal?

Thats right Clark. A simple repeat of last years problems. He ran to the ball as opposed to staying with his man. How many times last season did we see this happen?

Who was responsible for Toffees second goal?

Thats right, the man that was seen by most as not being good enough for us, Gareth Barry.
I stated that we should have taken him as he would have given us the experiance that is lacking, and he would have been happy to come back. He is no traitor he won a few things with MCFC and that was what he wanted.

Until Lambert gets a player of this qualitjy we are going to struggle.
The bright spot is that 6 of the teams we have played are at the top of the prem.
Now can we beat the also rans before we get dragged into an early relegation scrap.
This is the reality of the situation!

26 Oct 2013 18:05:56
What was I was saying about another season of struggles, 6 home wins out of 24, and you are all saying in lambert we trust, dear me when will you all realise he is not good enough for this football club, get rid of him now and get someone who has decent prem experience.

Not sure what game you watched today. We'r a much team this season. End of.

Finch

To be honest I think if benteke had scored that penalty we would have won today. We simply wre not clinical enough and in my opinion Weiman is not premier league standard. But I'm not one of the down hearers and think as a team we actually played quite well today

Doesn't matter what game i'm watching the record stands for itself

No point arguing amongst ourselves about how good or bad we played, the home form has to be a real concern
Unless we get some real quality in to that midfield in January I really think we are in trouble
The silence from Randy suggests that this won't happen as I reckon that behind the scenes he is looking for a way out
Worrying

Hi Mendax, my suggestion is an ejector seat asap. Barry destoyed us and he could have been playing for us.

Big Mac

I share your frustration with regard to Barry, Big Mac. He would have improved our midfield enormously.
As for the ejector seat, it's probably not that simple. I have some sympathy for Lerner as I think he was naive re O'neill etc
However, as much as I believe he wants out, I am equally convinced he is not stupid
Hopefully, he will see that the only way of protecting his investment is by by spending comparatively big in January,
on midfield replacements for KEA and Westwood. If Lambert can't see that this is what is needed then we are going to need a new manager who does recognise the blindingly obvious

25 Oct 2013 23:22:05
Predictions for 2morrow anyone? I'm going 2-1 villa

3 - 1 villa

Class wins always, villa played well at times, but all rush, Barry man of the match, PL out done by a better manager,

We missed our chances, we took them we would be looking at a different result. rome was not built over night!

Should have been 2 up after 20 minutes. Afraid I've got to blame benteke for the result, missing the penalty and should have squared to Weiman when he missed that one on one. Bad result

23 Oct 2013 10:44:36
Here's one for those still moaning for whatever reason. We have had the hardest run of games out of any team in the league. The average league position of the teams we've played is 6. 5, compared to that of man city in second (7. 38) and cardiff in 3rd (8. 25). Despite this we still have more points than at this point last season, have conceded less goals and already have 2 clean sheets, compared to the 5 we got all season last year. Bare in mind we played 3 games without benteke, there is clearly improvement. Tell me seriously, was anybody expecting to beat spurs WITH benteke, let alone without? If you were you're dillusional and tainted by the fact we beat arsenal and man city. If we looked at the games at the start of the season we'd expected nothing from arsenal, man city, spurs or liverpool. Hull have conceded one goal in about 450 minutes of football so we can't be too downhearted by that so the only real disappointment this season is newcastle, a team that we lost to at home last season anyway?

Nobody seemed to be moaning and tipping us for relegation before the spurs game so please tell me, why is everybody so upset that we lost to a team we have only beaten at home once in 13 attempts?

Honestly guys i'm not trying to be rude but please compare the results against the teams we've played to those last season and that in itself shows improvement everywhere but at home to the geordies. Calm down will you!

Thankyou stato!

I think wev every reason to be cheerful with start made this season. With a good run of more 'winnable' games coming up we'll climb the table.

Finch

Completly agree, I do think. Lot of people are going over the top about villas season so far. I still believe we all think were still in the martin o Neil eara when we expected to win every game but since then randy has picked up two awful mangers which has put us in the position we are now with not as much money as teams like hull April and Southampton who are championship or recent to premier league. But I agree with everything lambert is doing to try and get villa back into a good state on the field and financially
AVFCLEGEND

Hi ethAVFC
I generally agree with a lot of what you say. That said, it does confuse me when you seem to be saying that as we haven't beaten them in 13 games, fans shouldn't be upset that we lost, again, to Tottenham, at home. I would think that would be a reasonable attitude to take for any club that has ambitions no greater than finishing around mid table. We have to be realistic of course, but I think we are in danger of developing a real inferiority complex.
Anyway, the most important game is the next one. Let's talk again after it?

21 Oct 2013 13:10:59
What worries me is that most of us can see the problems on the pitch.
Spuds found more space in our penalty area than there is on the moon. They looked like scoring while we looked like we couldn't find the net if they all went home. The effort can't be faulted and but the willingness is questionable. When Spuds wanted to lay off a ball they had a player available. Too often when a player is in trouble no one has gone to give them an option. Defensivly we have no idea. Players simply run through our line and end up with a free shot at goal. In the forward line we are predictable. Gabby has started to believe what PL says, "its not too late to go to Brazil. " Sorry that bus has gone.

I do believe that Delph has become our only hope in the middle of the park and if he could control himself when he gets frustrated he could make Brazil.

The good news is that we have played most of the title challengers (top 5) and are better off than last season so we should be able to pick up some wins in the next few games.

As for the rumour of a sell out by Lerner, one word was missing from the prospective buyer, Red Bull S---.

Next 8 games

everton h
west ham a
cardiff h
wba a
sunderland h
southampton a
fulham a
man u h

if we get 12 points from them who would be happy?

I think that I would be happy with 10, or even 8.
We still lack that conductor in the middle, someone to hold the ball and change the pattern.
Too frequently, in fact always, our play is predictable. The opposition know before we do what they are going to face.
Somewhere along the way a magician must be found!

Think hutton and given being on the books are stopping that player or two coming in?

09 Oct 2013 12:33:29
I'm glad ciaran Clark playing well the kid has so much ability and I think he believed the hype now I think he's started to realise could very well be player of the season if he carrys on well done to that fella

Hi any news on Gary Gardner,

06 Oct 2013 14:10:36
Anyone know where Marc Albrighton today was today? we really lacked creativity against Hull - Westwood & El Almadi can't play together!

05 Oct 2013 19:48:26
bet lambert wishes he still had bent on the bench.

Not really. He just didn't fit with our style. For me it was obvious he is always going to score goals for the right team as he is still quality. I also wish him the best of luck for making the England squad. But for the wages he was on it was not right for him to be a villa to be a bench warmer.

Why would he wish that?
Bent had ample time to prove whether or not how would could fit into the Villa team or not and he proved conclusively that he couldn't
The odd goal for Fulham doesn't really do anything to change that

Hi Mendax, I am not sure that Bent got a fair crack of the whip with PL. I think that his pay packet went in front of his ability and he is capable of changing the direction of a game as his style is different to Bens. Kozak is not a Ben replacement and he doesn't alter our approach but Bent could have, even as a sub.

To be honest mate, I probably have a bit of a blind spot with Bent and am pretty unforgiving
The reason is that the first game I saw him in last year was also Bentekes debut against Swansea
Bent had an absolutely wretched game. So much so that the crowd actually cheered when he eventually won a header (it took about an hour in coming).
Benteke came on with 20 minutes to go scored one, should have had another and altogether looked a class apart.
It felt like seeing Jimi Hendrix after watching George Formby
I think the contrast has coloured my judgement so much so that I should probably just abstain from any Bent debate

And what is wrong with George Formby?


Only joking.

Sorry mate, didn't mean to be Formbyphobic

Surely he played a ukalale or something not a phoby what not.