Aston Villa Banter Archive August 01 2011 to August 31 2011

31 Aug 2011 17:27:30
Once again no ambition! I here we've signed a under 21 shamrock rovers player for January. He'll either be a waste or we'll get him to a level and sell him to man u, man city, etc etc. I hear Hutton may be signing for fulham, not a bad move really, I think herd more than capable of filling youngs shoes. Once again another quiet transfer window for the villa! After missing out on cole there's really no one else worthy of wearing the claret and blue. Think Carlton cole would look good in the colours though!

Is this the same Carlton Cole who was useless for Villa 4 season's ago do us a favour Bendtner would of been good coup or
Shane Long who in my opinion was one of the bargains of the summer next to Given and SWP

30 Aug 2011 19:47:37
ONE DAY LEFT WHO'S COMING IN NOW A COUPLE MORE PLAYERS ARE OUT

a Right back: Hutton, Demmel, Williams?

a Centre midfielder:Huddlestone,Gibson,Kayal, Dempsey?

a Forward:Giovonni Sio?

16 players gone --- 4 in if jenas and hutton sign,, what a joke milner sale paid for for bent,,, so where young and downing money oh 9.5 nzogbia and 4 given.. where the other 25 - 30 mill.. villa till i die and will back them through the bad and the worse...however randy needs to get a grip and realise its the fans that keep a club afloat....

30 Aug 2011 13:00:32
Young was on £40-50,000 a week
Makoun was on £60,000 a week.
Hogg was on £10,000 a week.

Sorry but there is no way in hell Makoun was on 60k. We've been we've been trying to crush the wage bill since before january, so why would have we bought a player and gave him that kind of wage. Makoun is on 40k max and hogg was on about half that. Were not getting the wages down so we can just go out and get them back up again.. I think we'll got for hutton and hargreaves then that will be that. {Ed008's Note - Hutton close to a deal and Hargreaves reportedly having "medical" at City.

Young turned down 50k a week at Liverpool last season, I think Makoun is on 35-45k a week and L Young was somewhere between 60-80k.

25 Aug 2011 20:01:14
Not actually a rumour but I think instead of bringing in alan hutton , we should buy christian ribeiro from bristol city or rovers. Good, young and has limied international experience plus he's british!

23 Aug 2011 09:45:43
Who else believes Makoun is better than Petrov as I for one believe Petrov hasn't got long left at the top flight with him begining to be a yard off the pace and given another season he'll be 2 yards off the pace and Makoun has a better eye for a pass and wants to stay at the club when we could loan out other players Heskey, Beye, Ceullar (once fit). as centre midfield seems to be where we need someone to allow either Delph or Bannan being the creative spark

Makoun probally deserves a better chance than he's had. But on performances so far he's no where near petrov. He's neat and tidy but he's niether attacking or defensive, so what does he do? petrov and delph everytime. Unless we get scott parker.

22 Aug 2011 16:04:36
Villa's squad for Hereford (just opinion)

=================Guzan=====================

Baker========Collins======Clark============Lichaj

=============Makoun===Bannan================

Albrighton=============================N'zogbia
===========Ireland===========================
====================Bent===================

I Reckon Big Eck will rest Given as his groin was playing up on Saturday needing Collins to take goal kicks, Young injured, Heskey injured and Gabby injured and i see a few first teamers being rested hopefully Ireland and Makoun have a good run

3 people disagreed with this team yet exept for Herd instead of Baker and Dunne instead of Collins it was right And Ireland is starting to shows his skills which made his name just hope he shakes off the match rust to get him on the score sheet

19 Aug 2011 18:01:21
Mrs finance you forgot to mention that we earnt 3mill from take that renting villa park in june for their concert. So you can stop swinging your handbag now

Wow 3million, we will be able to buy Rooney, Ronaldo, Nasri, Villa.... and have change left over Realism is what is needed from our fans. Just support the club and yeah it would be good if we got X amount of new signings and spent loads but this is not going to happen. I bet most of the people moaning we are not getting new players in are not even season ticket holders and don't buy any of the shirts to fund the club I'd rather an EPL Villa than a has been championship club like Leeds, Portsmouth, Forest.....

18 Aug 2011 10:49:35
The reason no activity is happening is because the banks have stopped lending to Prem clubs and are asking for any money back, when a club purchases a player they tend to borrow the money from the bank with a view to paying it off at a later date. A lot of the clubs have been restricted, not just Aston Villa

It is possible, in fact probable, that the banks are restricting lending but the numbers don't stack up in Villa's case. Sold Young for £16.5m, Downing for £20m and spent £13m on N'Zogbia and Given. even if we had to pay some of the Bent transfer that would still leave a surplus. Is it not also true that Liverpool and Sunderland, and even the baggies, have "splashed the cash" which seems to discredit the restrictive banks argument Villa is a great club with a fantastic history and fanbase, season ticket sales of 20,000 plus prove that. If no one is spending that would indicate that this is a buyer's market and there to be exploited. Surely now is a great time to sign the two/three players we need to ensure we are competitive and vying for a european spot in 2012.

Just because we have sold at those prices does not mean we get the full cash amount upfront. Most clubs pay up to half now and will pay the rest over a period of time or the following season - hence why they try to get the banks to fund them in a loan. But looking at it another way Young 16.5 + Downing 20 = 36.5mil - N'Zog + Given = 13m both on 5year deals 60k week for N'Zog + at least 35k for Given = 24.7m Add this to 13m = 37.7Mill = Money all gone

If you are going to start factoring in the wages that N'Zogbia & Given will be paid over the next 5 years then let's have some consistency and calculate the savings in wages we have made with the departure of Young, Downing, Reo-Coker, Carew and the many others who have left since the end of last season, plus the £10m in season ticket sales/corporate suites etc., Whichever way you look at it, we have generated far more income from our sales than we have spent on new signings, whether deferred on not

Even with those savings in players wages gone, we still have to pay the current staff wages - not including any back room, ground staff etc.. say average wage is 15k a week (obviously not) squad of 20 (again obviously more) 15000x20= 300000. Over the year = 15.6mil - there is your 10mil in season tickets sales and savings in players going. Where is this extra money to buy more players coming from then? Unfortunately our owner is a multi millionaire (in £ pounds) and not a multi billionaire who is able to waste his cash.

Lets be honest. Randy Lerner has had enough and though i agree that your financial conversation has valid points within it, it misses the point that seems obvious to me and that is that he has lost all interest in moving the club forward. In all honesty i reckon hes getting ready to sell up or he just wants to run it as a business ready to receive an extra nice retirement income (not that he needs it). He has done good things for the club and there is no doubt he has invested a lot of cash but to be honest none of that seems to be happening this year. I mean yeah nzogbia and given are in and they are decent signings but its there for every1 to see that we are lacklustre at the moment and we need to strengthen. Problem with that is when you arent an arab billionaire and you are running the club as a business you cannot please every fan who wants new players. But like you all say we have earned a lot of income (with regards to a fall in wages and the big money transfers) and this does not seemed as if its going to be reinvested. Hence the fact that Randy has lost the passion that he once has and we as villa fans are just going to have to deal with it. No point blaming the manager in this situation and to be honest i admire him for taking the job knowing what an uphill struggle its going to be to keep villa in this league. I know i seem pessimistic but to be honest i think more realistic. I would love to see villa go on sign these players that people are posting rumours about but the fact is unless we get a new owner OR he starts to see that we are a club worth fighting for again, then these season could be a very rocky road with no light at the end.

Long rocky rd indeed eh chavs lol

14 Aug 2011 06:57:18
I went to Craven Cottage yesterday to see Villa vs Fulham , defence & Given seemed pretty solid.

N'Zogbia did not convince me .. can we get a refund please

Oh yeah and buy Subbuteo's S.w.p or David ' I'm so talented nobody wants me' Bentley... give him a chance to shine as he actually has the skill to do just that.

Give him a chance N'Zogbia has had no real pre season so it'll take him a few games to get match fit .his best is yet to come

Thought CNZ performed pretty well considering his lack of pre season training and the limited training with his new team mates. Yes we could, and should, have done better but this match demonstrates that we need to sign a couple more quality players and that we can't simply rely on DB and CNZ. Hope the rumours are true about us looking to sign (on loan) a decent attacking midfielder. We need this plus a striker to give support to DB and variety and a CB to add competition at the back. RD & JC did well against Fulham, the likes of Aguero and Rooney may pose a different threat.

12 Aug 2011 10:45:14
why would McLeish terminate Heskey's contract, that would cost more money than it would save.

I don't know he is a great player

He only mentioned last week that heskey was part of his plans. think this is just the newspapers talking bull as usual

USED TO BE great

11 Aug 2011 21:15:47
Villa would not sell Gary Gardner especially as he is so highly rated by villa and mcleish who tried to sign him on loan last season for blues and £3 million your having a laugh. Another completely made up rumour with no substance

HolteEnder1979

11 Aug 2011 09:10:18
been offered crouch,jenas,hutton,bentley for 15 million. It will never happen too many wages.

Would be good though all them on the bench. Practically half a first team there

This is a joke when Stoke have offered 17million for Crouch and Palacios. Do you really think we would get all those for 15? dumbass

Im sorry but its only what i read on the bbc sports transfer rumours page just thought villa fans would like to know the silly rumours that are being splashed around . Also the fact that i put that its unlikely to happen should show that i did not believe it. Do your research before you criticise...... Dumbass

09 Aug 2011 18:30:11
New figures show Villa's debt is at £110m
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all Villa debt is to Randy Lerner and the finance company he ownes. Nothing there to worry about really.

08 Aug 2011 23:34:48
Chances are if things get worse in London the game on Saturday will be called off as the police wont want people using public transport across the capital. I'mjust disapointed it has unexplicably spread to Birmingham...Why? Let the cockney idiots rubbish on their doorsteps for no reason I would hoe people from our city had a bit more sense than to burn down/loot our local family businesses? clearly not

07 Aug 2011 23:13:29
why are you all so full of s**t, stop spreading s**te around about players. villa wont sign anyone they will have to be faced with relegation before they sign another decent player. the only reason we got Bent is that lerner didnt want us to go down. He wont spend money though cos he wont make it back to get us to the champions league costs too much for him. He wants to sell the club and i hope he does, preferably to a group of glory hunting arabs. My only fear for villa is that McLeish will sink us. He's like curse.

He's like a curse/relegation/sh*t/sh**e/ moan moan moan. See you at wast hills in the morning then.....

07 Aug 2011 16:32:47
New figures show Villa's debt is at £110m

This figure has shrunk to £86m due to left over money from Young & Downing sales + N'Zogbia & Given purchasing funds.

Villa will not make anymore signings , only young ex youth players will be playing from now on as Villa look to cut their big debts.
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How Can Villa be in Debt they have a personal loan from Lerner who if you hadn't forgot is the Owner and currently a Billionaire which was 65m.

Now whether Villa add to the squad who knows Mcleish has said he wants to strenghen the team before the end of the transfer window whether he spends money is yet to be seen i can see Upson, Hitzlsperger and Milner coming in on loan and frees

06 Aug 2011 22:49:21
is Bent injured?? need to know as he is in my Sun dream team

He played yesterday and the match report said nothing bout him being injured just that they subbed him off to give Ireland and some others a bit of game time

He has picked up a shoulder injury. Villa are saying it is not serious and he should be ok to start next week at fulham.

He will get 20 this season

Villa didnt want him to play On Wednesday in a pointless friendly so have talked up a knock so he was left out of the sqaud. Sad to see us go from 5 players in the squad to none though. Shame...apart from Bent we have no real England quality players left.

06 Aug 2011 21:21:55
COME ON GET IN N'Zogbia scores on debut against Braga
And showed his class

05 Aug 2011 11:53:15
alexsander hleb will not be joining aston villa, i know him personally as he joined my fishery syndicate while he was on loan at blues, he told me he doesnt like mcleish and he will more than likely end up playin in eastern europe, his ideal choice would have been to stay at barca. However he will probably join a russian club like his close friend martin jiranek. Hlebs a nice bloke but a rubbish fisherman, don't worry i gave him plenty of stick aswell being a villan myself.

Good riddance although your story seems a bit farfetched

04 Aug 2011 16:28:12
The Derby result shows how poor squad depth is right now...i believe this is a reason why mcleish has now said that he wants to strengthen the following ways in these areas:

Goalkeeper: No change.

Defence: A rb and a cb are important to get, personally i think that hutton and upson will be signed. We won't splash out on an expensive cb, although bassong could be a good option for us. Combined 8 million bid for Hutton and Bassong could be given to spurs.

Midfield: This is the most concerning area, bannan and albrighton do have great potential, but they're not starters just yet. Depending on the formation we will play plans could change. Regardless of the formation though we need a new winger and a central midfielder, one at least. On the wings i reckon it will be bentley or wright phillips, they can be got at quite cheaply. Bentley would be my choice, excellent crosses for bent to latch onto. In the center of midfield i would like to go for barton...but i think arsenal or someone like that is more likely for him. So Hleb on loan or Milner on loan would be good. Hleb especially as he can link the play, collect it from the defense and play it forward.

Strikers: Heskey, Delfounesou, Weiman and Agbonlahor will not get 20 goals between them this season. Heskey and Agbonlahor need to be used more carefully, either to hold up play, or play in behing teams in agbonlahors case. A striker does seem a priority in my opinion. Ideally Rodallega would be the man, but Wigan won't let him leave so soon after N'Zogbia. So another Spurs player, Robbie Keane for about £3,000,000 will be brought in by McLeish, his finishing is top class - he's a player that could get us 15 a season, put that with bent and we've got potential.

Starting Line Up:

Given, Hutton, Collins, Dunne, Warnock, Bentley, Makoun, Hleb, N'Zogbia, Bent, Keane...or without keane stick petrov/delph into central midfield for a 4-5-1 / 4-3-3

Total spending including N'Zogba and Given: 25,000,000

Total Income received: 36,000,000...if a profit of 9 million can't balance the books then nothing can.

What do you guys think?

EJ

All the above players have one quality, they are consistent in the Premier League, consistently rubbish, that is why they are available.

Run of the mill players that have run out of the mill and into mid level transfer fodder.

Thats all we can manage at the moment, they're better than the rabble that w have right now

Agree with the guy above id rather have defoe up front than the two donkeys we have in delfouneso and heskey. Also swp would be a great replacement for downing cos although albrighton is a good player he aint fully there yet in my opinion

SWP going to Sunderland. Way too many rumours for it to be made up

04 Aug 2011 10:46:53
Derby result last night just proves that our lack of quality in depth and the need to strengthen the squad. The youngsters need more time to mature and the likes of Beye, Guzan and Ireland don't appear to be delivering the goods. Come on AM let's see some more signings to ensure we aren't left wanting in case of injuries etc

Completely agree with you mate. Terribly poor against derby. I dread to think if the likes of collins, bent, nzogbia get injured. I mean Bannan and albrighton show promise don't get me wrong but the rest of our bench is crap tbh i mean delfouneso , do me a favor, i watched him squander 3 chances at walsall one of which being an open goal. Heskey - well the less said about him the better. Then we got ireland makoun clark herd beye - and the less said about them the better

Habib beye he's really sh*t, 40 grand a week, he's lovin it

01 Aug 2011 20:18:53
so true, dj Cambell is terry bell. he's what at birmingham and was the worst. Im sure they're just pointless rumours that people are posting here cos they've bought him on football manager and he did well or something. We won't be signing anyone else. it'll be bringing youth through this year

As much as i agree dj campbell is terrible. I disagree completely with the youth policy he is taking to be honest. I mean in youth terms we havent got that much that looks promising. Yes albrighton is good, bannan is good, clark is ok, lichaj isnt the best and delfouneso is shocking (his pre season performance at walsall will prove that point). i still think we need some better players for the bench. New striker, Creative midfield and a winger at least. Then if cuellar leave we need two defenders. Why we arent in the market for the likes of hitlzsperger, barton , defoe and wright phillips i will never know. all part of Bid ecks "devine" plan. We will struggle this year if im honest just look what chelsea did to us :/

Only player that was any good against chelsea was given and i think he is gonna be having to play like that every game this season so we arent relegated. I have every faith in him though he is a great signing

01 Aug 2011 09:49:57
If players like Ireland, Warnock, Delfounsou, Delph, Agbonlahor and Albrighton pull their weight I feel Villa could make top 7. After watching the Chelsea game I certainly was impressed with Given's performance - MOTM - no doubt. However I think Villa need a quick CB to play along side Collins, someone like Onouah. I think Villa could either sign him on loan or permanent for 6m as his out of favour at City. Plus his only 24 years old. Also, for 4m I think Alan Hutton is a bargain as he's about 5 years younger than L.Young and IMO better than him. Cambell from Blackpool is a definite bargain as he can score goals in the prem and he'll only cost 1.5m. A great replacement for Bent if he ever gets injured. Finally I think Villa need to sign a very good midfielder - Milner would do a great job on loan. I would probably play him with Delph as he very aggresive and can go forward to. Just my opinion