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01 May 2014 17:24:56
So reading today's Guardian report, Villa have the 8th highest wage bill in the premier league? An we are battling relegation, what happened to the wage restructuring we are told is the reason for not bringing in more high profile players? Now seems like a load of old grannies knickers to me!
01 May 2014 10:16:06
Reports in newspapers say that villa are considering moves for Javier Hernandez and Joleon Lescott. Would love this to be true.
Thoughts?
We need a new team and there are better out there also means PL still Manager, he must not be at villa park next season
Now PL states we need player of the above class this is something all villa fans have known for the last 2years it has taken him 2years to access this, sack him its embarrassing,
01 May 2014 16:46:31
Or maybe it's just taken 2 years for the funds to be avaliable for him to do it?
Would you trust him with big money
30 Apr 2014 22:02:33
Oldvilla I don't understand your defence of lambert he is a terrible manager he has had money to spend and has had time to improve us on the trainin pitch he has turned us into the worst team in the league we play the worst football defend like clown half the championship sides are better out of both cups early and to who and don't forget Bradford last season he has to go Newcastle are planning protests I think Saturday is to important for that but things have to change now
Total agree with waynipoos villajk
Waynepoos, give your other half £20 and tell them to feed you for a month and se what you get on the table after the first couple of days. It is impossible to judge PL fairly as he has not Ben given the required housekeeping. The pres are today stating that he " wants" Hernandez, Lescott, Holtby and others. let's see if Scrooge gives him the funds to try and buy them. If he tries and fails then say bye bye, but give I'm a real chance to form a prem. team rather than a cut price unit that is unable to hold its own. Another poster pointed out that the average cost of players bought in is about £1m, especially when you remove Ben & Kozak, Okores & Vlarr. The rest are almost make weights but some months ago one of the eds. stated that both Lowton and Westwood will play for England, so better knowledge than ours has been tested.
Oldvillan I don't care who said it there's no chance Westward or Lowton will play for England, when and I hope a new manager takes over they will both be back in the championship. We have 1 good player teckers the rest are so poor idont see what you see in PL are you related
You have at last seen the light! That is what I was pointing out that even the ED. can get it totally wrong.
Get yourself a sign off please.
{Ed003's Note - What do you mean 'even' lol,is this on the wrong thread btw ? }
Forgot to add, not related but a realist and a fair minded supporter.
Cheers its villajk I had not sigh in but will from now on
Hi ED 03, I regard yourselves as the font of all footie knowledge. If you state it it must be right.
{Ed003's Note - that's better lol.}
30 Apr 2014 15:43:39
As I posted, lots of worse managers in no specific order. McNeil, Turner, Mercer, Venglos, the list is long and very untidy. PL has been limited by the meanness of Scrooge for all the time he has been manager. I don't know what work you do but if your boss said "make a silk purse from a sows ear" you would say clear off. PL hoped he could do just that, but he has run out of sows. think about available options, and then why are they available before wishing PL out of the door!
Easy Glen Hoddle and available PL is as poor as all above
You make a lot of sense old villan but can lambert handle high quality players?
As Hoddle is out of work and so rated, one has to ask "Why?"
How many prem. managers have gone this season and he has still not been offered a job? "Why?"
We don't know if PL can handle "stars" as he has not been given the opportunity. He took his role on with the knowledge that he would have very little to spend and he has done what he could.
The problem is and has been with Scrooge, no question!
Because he's a friggin nutcase that's why
Has everyone forget his debacle with the England squad when he took some lunatic faith healer with him? Or his pronouncement that disabled people had sinned in a previous life, hence their condition?
Would not touch with a barge pole.
Ask Wolves fans what they thought of Hoddle (it's not good)
29 Apr 2014 20:44:10
Oldvilla what manager has been worse none and he has still had 20 mill a season he is a joke what tactics does he use from what I see none I've had more bad weekends wit him as manager than any1 else I will still of course support my team I couldn't stop if I wanted but a total clear out is needed manager included
I'm not personally a huge fan of Lambert but I do feel a little sorry for him. I think people are forgetting how bad it was under McLeish. And yes he's had 20 million pounds to spend but a lot of that money is currently injured, okore, kozak and obviously benteke for example which adds upto more than half of the wage bill. Also Norwich have had double that amount and look where they are at the moment. As I say not a huge fan but you have to give him this. So let's forget about him because he is not going to be sacked even if we go down, and roar the team on, on Saturday!
Totally agree with backing the team on Saturday. Even though many of us are unhappy, we need a united front. I also do feel sorry for Lambert as he was always going to be the fall guy if the punt on cheaper younger players did not work out. It is the team who are just not good enough especially with the injuries. Yes it is ‘His team’ as he has spent £40 mil over the last two years but once you take out 7 and 6 ish mil for Tekkers and Kozak it shows on average we only spent less than 1-2 mil on each player brought in. Take out Vlaar and Okore at around 4 mil each, then the average spend each player is even less. So my point is we can't expect top 10 above finish by spending so little on a lack of quality. In some ways it could be viewed that Lambert is a genius (im laughing as I type this too) as with the players we currently have that we are not in the bottom three at the moment. This minimum spend forced upon by Learner is down to having his fingers burned but remember he is ultimately a business man and not a ‘real’ fan. So we need big investment but finding a multi-billionaire who like Abramovich or Mansour who seem to not really care about money as they have so much of it, will be hard as most rich people are rich for a reason. Why do you think so many lotto winners have almost nothing so quickly, as they waste it. Also any new owner will want a payback someday regardless of what they say. It has to be up to the fans to buy the tickets, shirts etc… to put the cash in. Otherwise lower divisions, rubbish football is the future unless that multi-billionaire buys in.
PL has to be sacked I don't think he understands the club if he did he would not have bought the worst villa team I have seen since tommy Cumming was manager he is suited to a small club 1 good buy the rest are rubbish FACT but agree we all get behind the team saturday
Sorry lads but could you guys finish with a name or something so we know who is making a point.
Villadave
Well stated Villadave. Lots of posters drift in and out of the site and make the odd comment. Far worse teams than those mentioned have worn the shirt and failed miserably.
29 Apr 2014 16:28:51
come on wigan tonight. do it for villa!
Come on mate, that's a bit harsh.
I am Villa through and through but wishing another midland side get relegated is not on.
The midlands are in the mire at the moment as far as football is concerned.
So let's grow up a it hey.
Villadave
Totally agree villadave
I agree. C'MON WIGAN!
If they go down, we won't have a derby game next season :- (
Sorry Villa Dave, you are going to think badly of me but I want Wigan to win also.
For me, it's a question of maths. No Birmingham, means more potential Villa supporters, means more finances, means more chance of Villa success.
If someone could convince me the opposite were true I'd be willing the Bluenoses to win as you are
(I'm not a bad person, really I'm not)
No Mendax, I don't think badly of you mate.
But Blues could be in league 1 or even league 2 and it would not make any difference to our gates if we are not winning.
Also would you change your colours if the positions were reversed, of course not, so where are these extra supporters going to come from.
Your not a bad person, maybe just a little tired it is late.
Villadave
Nope villadave it is not harsh to want your local rivals to go down in anyway at all in my opinion. They will be willing us to go down at the moment and in my opinion it's just been part of the game having local rivals and always will be. Plus when teams like West Brom are singing ridiculos songs like 'pride of the midlands' why do you want midlands teams apart from our own (of course) to do well
I take your point Dave. I wasnt thinking new supporters short term though. I was thinking more 20 years from now
But, you are right. We need to get our own house in order rather than worry about some local annoyance of a club
Anyway, I'm happy. Real did win tonight (the only other team I have a soft spot for)
The week would be complete if we turn Hull over
I take your point as well, I was just trying to be sensible and not wishing a fate on them that we do not want ourselves.
I would prefer them to be in the bottom four or five in our division to be honest, Its great to have bragging rights.
I hope and really think we will turn Hull over but I can not see it being a formality.
Viladave
28 Apr 2014 15:56:08
Lambert should be sacked now ahead of the hull game cowans and given in charge till the summer lambert is clueless should of being sacked after palace beat us at home at christmas and would of been if the owner wasn't selling up at the end of the season lambert has been the worst villa manager in history if he had any pride he would of walked
Hi waynepoos, new poster. Your memory is short as we have had some really bad managers who have had more support, money, than PL has had. PL purchase have been poor but you get what you pay for. he had a meagre budget and tried to buy players that would develop. Unfortunately said players have not come up to the mark and others are clearly on the treatment table. Just get down the park on Saturday and make VP a fortress of sound, don't boo at the end regardless of the outcome. Remember two difficult games to go and a positive reaction by 40000 is essential.
From what I know the Villa vs Hull game should be a full house. Just what we need to get behind the team. And there has been worse managers than Lamberts during Villas time.
If we lose against hull they 100% deserve the negative reaction from the stands. Giving them a positive one will make no difference as is shown from about 34 of our games this year.
28 Apr 2014 15:35:13
We will just stay up this season but every1 at the club has burned there bridges wit me owner manager and crap players we need a complete clear out this summer I want my club back next season
27 Apr 2014 20:35:02
I wouldn't worry to much about this 'takeover' because apparently it's based on us staying in the premiership and the only way that's going to happen is if the teams below us loss every game.
How embarrassing was that show Saturday and Lambert doesn't seem to see it as he keeps saying the same thing on his interviews.
Thoughts on that?
Have you actually looked at the table?
We DON'T need all the teams below us to lose every game.
We're in trouble, that's for certain. But we don't need people stating things that are clearly untrue
Fulham is the team that could cause us a problem. Norwich have Chelsea and arsenal. Both fighting for there own cause so Norwich will get nothing or even if they fluke a point not enough. Cardiff will finish bottom and are not a worry. It's Fulham that worry me if a cruel twist of fate was to go against us. They have Stoke away and palace I think at home. Now they would need to win both as if they won one and got a draw they would be on same points as we are now and our goal different is better. On form all season they would not do this but they are also not worrying games that look impossible and on there day they could win both and drag us in unless we get another 3 point's to take that worry away.
Its in our hands. A home win vs hull and we stay up so let's get behind the lads and get rid of the negativity for 5 minutes. Finch
I think the Hull equaliser will have an effect on Fulham. They must have been gutted
As Finch says though, it's in our hands. Let's get it sorted on Saturday
27 Apr 2014 20:07:09
Fulham win against Stoke & Palace we will be down so pretty sure all this talk of owners is premature! Lambert has to go at the end of the season or even before as Mcleish got sacked for less!
Forget all about what other teams have to do, we need to beat Hull END OF.
If we do that we will be OK, so how about we all turn up and lift the roof of the place and get behind the team.
That might not go down well with some, but let's get real here.
We need three points don't we, so let's play our part in this and raise the roof from start to finish.
Villadave
Hull don't normally bring a lot of fans so we should only be able to hear villa fans on Saturday.
28 Apr 2014 03:24:07
I agree, villadave. I don't worry, Aston Villa will be in Premier League next season too. Will be an easy win against Hull in my opinion.
On what basis could you possibly conclude that it will be an easy win against Hull?
Don't get me wrong, I hope you are right but there is nothing whatsoever in the way we have played at home for the past 2 seasons to suggest that Hull at home will be an easy game.
27 Apr 2014 16:52:29
To be honest we are in a good position to avoid the drop and if we don't get the three points we need we can rely on other results. For any of the bottom three to catch up with us or over take us they have to:
Cardiff need to win both of there games and have Newcastle and Chelsea. Can't see them winning both of them.
Fulham have to also win both of there games. They have to face Stoke and Crystal Palace who are both on good runs of form at the moment, so can't see that happening either.
Norwich have to win one game by 10+ goals to catch up with us or win one and draw the other. But they have to face Arsenal and Chelsea who both need the points to challenge.
UTV!
Lets keep our destiny in our own hands and let's all get behind the team, let's get these 3 points!
27 Apr 2014 00:29:25
I will state ow I am a Norwich supporter, I am not what you would call a troll as I view comments from various sites. I look at this site for obvious reasons, Lambert, the man you alll hailed as your next Messiah! well here's my assessment, Mr Lambert ran before he could walk by joining Villa, it has been proven he can not hack it in the premiership and has brought Villa to the brink of relegation as you are by no means safe, it makes me laugh to hear you all calling for Frank Rikard as your next Manager!
Reality check guys! after West Broms win today they are a more desirable club to manange than you! do you really think Frank would come to you? I respect what you had at Villa but you are living in the past! forget the big buyout and payday, you are in massive danger of ending up like Leeds, once European heroes ending up in a stats of disarray.
The bigger the Club the bigger the fall!
{Ed007's Note - No chance of Norwich falling any further, you can't get any lower than chanting 'Liverpool' today!}
You support Norwich?
Have you not got more to worry about?
A very dull rant about Villa is not going to help
I thought is was just Birmingham fans who were so small minded that they were more interested in Villa than their own club
Lambert left you 2 years ago mate. Get over it
We are much more likely to get took over and get the big payday as you put it than Norwich are. I'd worry about your club as they along with Cardiff and Fulham will keep us up.
27 Apr 2014 15:45:21
Robinson looked sharp when he came, given a chance personally I think he would get goals PL will probable go with Holte . Delph Gabby and Andre seem poor. KEA there must be a better player on the books
Well said Ed by the way
{Ed007's Note - Cheers Mendax, sometimes things just need to be said. I take it Liverpool are Norwich fans' 'big' team?}
I hate to say this and have loved villa for early 40 years but a lot of what he just said is true
Norwich would want Liverpool to win purely because we play Chelsea next week, had they lost they would be out of the title race and have nothing to play for, as it is they are still in it and will give it everything.
28 Apr 2014 11:54:06
Norwich still have that chip on their shoulder? Wow!
Well they had their little premier league experience and can live in the past about those three seasons when they return to the lower leagues. Times have been very low at villa park yes, but once the season is over if we remain in the prem then things will change. What will not change is the name Aston Villa will still appeal to many in Europe and the UK. European Cups and bags of silverware as well as being in the prem for over twenty years does not fade away. Yappy little upstarts like Norwich have come up and gone down before. Enjoy the derby against Peterborough and Ipswich next season and snipe away at other clubs when they pinch your players, say hello to Walsall for us in 2015
26 Apr 2014 18:54:33
Well that's it, Shocking again no penetration at all, and no bite up front or at the back.
All school boy errors, and being paid vast amounts of money for nothing.
Its up to us now, plain and simple.
If we beat Hull we are safe, just.
If we lose it really is squeaky bum time.
I will be glad when the season ends and see what transpires over the close season.
Villadave
Need to beat Hull. Get Helenius into the team get Albrighton whipping them in to him and Agbonlahor and we will score. We just didn't show up today but to be honest what a strike by Shelvey.
26 Apr 2014 18:04:22
Disgusted by the Villa today. Just not good enough! Hopefully Lerner sells up this season and Lerner follows him out of the door. Have no faith in the current crop squad, we're playing like a struggling championship team. The only way we're going to stay up is if the teams below don't get the results. Not trying to make it seem as if Villa are doomed, but I just can't see us picking up any more points from the remaining three games. A complete clear out is needed, apart from Benteke we have no one who knows where the net is, no one in the midfield can pass more than 10 ft without giving it away, and the defence is as unorganised as a hungover Sunday league back line.
26 Apr 2014 16:01:23
Helenius not even on the bench despite being fit, despite the position we are in and despite the fact that Weimann has had the season he has had.
Either he is more atrocious than we could ever imagine. Or, Lambert is even stupider than I already think.
It has to be one or the other
We will be going down. Simple as. We are absolute crap!!!!!
SACK HIM NOW enough enouh
25 Apr 2014 21:45:40
Tomorrow against Swansea is a vital game. I can't see us losing it and we can easily take a point. I think this week and next week we will secure our premier league safety. Hull will certainly not be easy but they might have an eye on the cup final which could give us a chance.
How wrong I was. Lambert chooses to have Grant Holt on the bench instead of Helenius. Can he really be that bad? Shocking performance and it is starting to become disgraceful, our only hope is that we get something against Hull or we are Top Gear. But because it's Villa we will probably beat Man City.
25 Apr 2014 09:04:25
I think we will be sold next season, Lamberts interview yesterday gave me the impression that he doesn't even know if he will be here next season, personally if we are to be sold I would let him have a go at spending a few pound he hasn't had a chance to be fair, I know some you will say he has spent a lot but he has had work off a tight wage structure so he can only bring in championship quality players in that sence I think he done alright and has found a couple of gems on the way aswell, we do still need a good clear tough because some the squad wouldn't get A KICK IN A HORSE BOX
24 Apr 2014 15:20:48
To be honest we are all clutching at straws including myself, I really hope some of the things we read and hear are true. But then again apparently we have ten different billionaires after us which I seem illogical unless they are all after a project. I'm still hoping that the Red Bull rumour is true, as Houllier does have 'unfinished busines' but we sll wait and see. Odds are, we won't even have anew manager let alone owner
22 Apr 2014 17:23:04
Do Villa fans want lambert out?
If so Moyes?
Why does everyone want Moyes? He is shocking. If we get the new owners, just no. He has shown that he can't handle being at a club with money.
People like you make me laugh. Moyes is obviously a quality manager he built up Everton into a big club and financially solid. He obviously couldn't hack it at a club like United but if your comparing villa to man United you really don't know what your talking about!
I said if we got new owners. And making a team financially solid doesn't mean there good a conference team could do that.
22 Apr 2014 09:01:11
Are we been sold? If we are I do hope randy picks the right buyer for our club, going by his managers decision's over the last couple of years they have all been poor, I would love to get something like the squad of a couple of years ago milliner, young, Carew, petrov, laursen downing and just keep building on it, wouldn't cost £100m to build a squad like that again we have a few at the club already Big Ben, vlaar Delph Guzan let's build around these players get the same quality on the pitch with them not piss poor players that these have to carry week in week out,
21 Apr 2014 16:15:37
What if, in a weird twist of fate, Lambert was sacked, and the departing Moyes became our next manager? What would people think?
Would welcome moyes he's a class act and had an impossible job as utd manager, any successor to sir Alex would of struggled.
Finch
That would be fantastic. Can't see it happening though.
Disagree his style of football out dated and Scottish managers always fail at villa park
Ask a everton fans who they would prefer Martinez or Moyes better style of football with RM
Scottish managers always fail at villa? wasnt the first and most successful manager ever for villa a scot?
Our savour the Doc) O'Neil MacLeish, lambert there's a few more as well, only 1 successful. this is not personal scotts don't work for villa don't mean to offend any Scottish fans
22 Apr 2014 18:50:00
Why would Moyes coming to Aston Villa be fantastic? Have more sense. I'm tired of such deluded nonsense.
Moyes has won no titles with Everton and recently Manchester United, and that is because his tactics are not good enough. If Aston Villa gets sold in the summer, which I believe will happen, then we must think of appointing a much better manager, we can afford it. I would like to see Roberto Mancini as the new Aston Villa-manager.
If there is to be a change then I would love to see klopp or laudrup as our new manager.
Do you mean mcneill? or oneil
Billy" McNeill sorry about spelling
I think you guys are pushing well above villa level. I remember when moyes was at Everton everyone thinking he was a brilliant manager. Someone saying he never won any titles as Everton manager well no manager in the world could do that with Everton. And Juergen Klopp as the new villa manager!! Give me a break he's at one of the biggest and best clubs in the world. Why the hell would he want to come to villa who are one of the worst teams in the prem. Even Mancini is a ridiculos suggestion. I think us fans need to get a grip of where villa really are these days (a bottom end premier league team)
23 Apr 2014 06:12:53
I totally disagree with everything you wrote here. Didn't you understand what I wrote here? If Aston Villa gets sold to the two Texan billionaires or the Arab Prince, we will have unlimited money to spend on exactly the very good quality players that we are looking for. We can afford appointing Mancini and buying for example Finnbogason and Vossen etc. You should be open minded, instead of suggesting that we can't get Mancini or Klopp.
And aim higher, so forget Moyes. He is not a quality manager and I certainly don't want him at the Villa.
I'm just being realistic here! The two American billionaire both shrugged away suggestions they were in for us and I haven't heard anything about us getting an Arab king. I would love mouse as he would control the whole club just the manager we need to make us the solid club and gradually make our funds higher if we don't get a multi billionaire takeover
So was Brendan Rogers a big manager when he went to Liverpool?
Finch
I'm thinking that the new Aston Villa-manager should be Frank Rijkaard. He can do a very good job. Do you agree, Aston Villa-fans.
Look for Happy Harry!
20 Apr 2014 14:22:19
You might all think I'm mad but say we get taken over and the new owners splash the cash. I would like to see lambert in charge to see how he spends the cash. remember we were linked to countino before Liverpool brought him it was only down to us not having funds that we never got him. Plus other players we have ban linked with its all down to us not havin the cash off scrooge. Any thoughts my fellow villa pals?
Linked that's all no bids all press and fan talk, new owners should get rid of PL, IF we have new owners
Its given fans optimism following the links to the takeover and the fact that Lerner won't state his position with regards to a future with villa gives us even more hope!
So if it does happen which I sincerely hope it does I'd like to see laudrup or klopp which sounds ludicrous but given the potential state of affairs we would be in I think he may fancy it.
Finch
I'm with Finch. Jurgen Klopp would be the dream manager for me
Lambert is schocking. If we did have a load of cash to splash it would be irresponsible to let him do the splashing.
Just remember, Tonev, Luna, Sylla, Kozak, Helenius, Bennett etc, etc.
That's when he was buying cheap players to keep the wage bill down and be able to afford more players for back up. He couldn't go in splashing the cash on 10 £8m players because we didn't have enough money. We have been linked with Belhanda, Payet, Kiyotake and many more good players he just needs the money. I would give Lambert a little bit of time and see how he used the money.
And what about our style of play?
Or more to the point, our lack of of style of play
His decisions have been poor as well.
Spending 7 million on Kozak when centre half and centre mid were a priority is a joke
I think Lerner's disinterest has hidden Lambert's inadequacies
Gotta get rid. New owners or not
He has made some terrible decisions during his time but he has also made some good ones. Bringing in Benteke, giving Guzan another contract, Okore needs to be given a chance to show he quality, giving Delph regular starts, signing Bacuna. And he has made some bad decisions such as: bringing in Tonev, bringing in Kozak, bringing Helenius and then not using him, not useing N'Zogbia and other shocking decisions. But every manager is going to make a mistake. I would like him to stay at the club for when we get new owners so we can see how he spends it, who know he might do a good job.
I think lambert has done well with the funds he's had available and due to severe injuries his player selection has been questionable at times but for instance both helenius and kozak came to the club with good goal scoring records Real Madrid wanted helenius for the B team so he can't be that bad and kozak was top scorer for the Uega cup. Okore hasn't had chance to prove himself but I feel next season with him in defence and if we get Bertrand we'll be more solid at the back I'd like to see us bring in abit of steel for cm who can score and a good winger
Sorry gents (or ladies) but I really don't understand the thinking that says given a huge transfer kitty by new owners "see how Lambert spends it, who knows, he might do a good job"
This could be a once in a lifetime opportunity to spend some serious cash. Do you really want to leave it to chance?
Look at what Tottenham have done with the Bale money. Other than Paulingo and Eriksen, would you want any of the players they spent £100 million on?
I'd need psychiatric treatment if we did same
Okay then. But who would you want to replace him because a top class manger will not just come straight into a club with new owners.
With the right money any manager would come
New owners would essentially mean a new era. Lambert would have to be replaced with some proven management at winning trophies.
I said in the above post I'd welcome moyes and although he's not had that success I think he along with quite a few other managers would improve our playing style. Watching us play this season has been so difficult with our one dimensional approach.
Finch
If we were to have a new manager I wouldn't want Moyes. I would want a Spanish or Italian manager come in and install a new dimension to the team. So they can pass it then attack at the right time. Such as Unai Emery or Jagoba Arrasate.
Off the top of my head I would love Klopp or Simeone. But this is not a decision to be made off the top of anyones head. It's the job of the owners to locate the right guy and then get him. I reckon their would be no shortage of suitors for a revitalised and wedged up Aston Villa.
I really don't understand the mentality that seems to hint that Lambert is as good as it gets and that those who want change are getting above themselves
We should want better than Lambert. A lot better
22 Apr 2014 20:20:31
A lot better manager than Lambert? A Spanish or an Italian one? The best one I can think of is Roberto Mancini.
Mendax, why would klopp or simeone come to villa, we all know you hate lambert but top European managers will only go to teams with big budgets, and don't forget they're wages too
Hi Mate
I was only talking Klopp as an absolute ideal if we were to have new owners who were seriously wedged up and willing to spend Man City style big (I know, I'm dreaming)
As for me "hating Lambert". That's untrue
I just don't rate him as a football manager of my foootball club, that's all.
Hate is an emotion I reserve for a select fiew
Mendex the poor buys you mentioned minus Kozak, who I don't think is a bad as everyone makes out, probably add upto about £5 million and I do believed we did need another striker. Look who we've got playing up there now! Holt and Weimar are rubbish and all gabbys got is his pace.
I think they came to a bit more than £5 million but it's sort of academic
They were players that he judged would be good enough to play for us and he was badly wrong. It's his judgement I question not the prices he pays. I accept that he has been hamstrung to some extent by Lerner by the way. The folly of the policy is demonstrated most vividly at left back
He bombs out Warnock, signs Bennett, realised he's crap, signs Luna, realised he was crap, has to get Bertrand in.
Wasteful madness
I agree in terms that they are not good enough for the premier league but to do the job he was set by Lerner, which was to rebuild the squad and reduce wages on a low budget, he had to make risky low buys and so e of them worked out some of them didnt, but I just want to see what he could do with a bit more money and be able to buy proven players rather that having to take risks on unproven players
I guess I'm not as big a gambler as you mate.
Lambert just screams lower league manager to me
Let's stay up, get Bill Gates buying us see what happens from there
20 Apr 2014 00:46:54
Decent performance from Villa today against a very good and all organised team in Southampton. Happy that Robinson got his chance today. Just need to learn how to score. Next two games are very important and both winnable. COME ON VILLA!
I like the optimism but feel its unfounded, Saints were in absolute control and could've had a hat full in the first half.
18 Apr 2014 23:00:19
Hopefully we will be getting new owners and getting rid of Randy Lerner. He has made terrible decisions during his time as owner including managerial appointments. If we do have new owners do you think they will want a new manager? If so who do you think would be a good manager? What about Roberto Di Matteo
All depends on whether we do get new owners and if we do, how deep are their pockets
If we did have someone who really was determined to really go for it, I would love Jurgen Klopp.
Good coach, good tactician and a big, big personality. Given backing, he could do something special with us.
(Yes, I know. I'm getting a little head of myself)
Just a little ahead of yourself h. But he is the type of manager we need who will fight for everything and will get the best out of his players.
19 Apr 2014 13:33:10
New owners, yes please! We don't expect to be world beaters, but we expect progression, going backwards since 2010, time for a change. Still can't believe we spent £24 MILLION on Darren Bent!
18 Apr 2014 22:34:39
Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;
Or close the wall up with our English dead.
In peace there's nothing so becomes a man
As modest stillness and humility:
But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
Then imitate the action of the tiger;
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favour'd rage;
Then lend the eye a terrible aspect;
Let pry through the portage of the head
and cry villa for ever
Always knew that Bill Shakespeare was a Villa supporter.
If we could just get this passion onto the pitch via the terraces who knows what could be achieved?
18 Apr 2014 17:46:14
OK you Villans, time to play our part. Prem football is essential if we are to get rid of Scrooge and welcome the Texans to VP. Surely all the scuttle going round now is for real and with the suggested 250m Lambert will at last be able to prove he has what it takes, OR he will be out. I don't see a new owner dumping PL before they see what happens. After many years behind the team, both up & down, I can see a gLimmer of hope for the future. Is the sleeping giant about to rise? There is every possibility that we may have to form a queue for season tickets. Let's roar them on against S, Hampton and open the next chapter with a win to ensure a new owner is watching.
Very Churchillian Old Villan
I like the cut of your jib!
We deserve success. One of the best stadiums in England which generatates probably the best atmosphere deserve to watch high quality players week in week out.
Hi Mendax, you are obviously an educated man. Most think churchill is a dog!
Churchill also once said 'one of the greatest lessons in life is to know that even a fool is right sometimes' to which I agree with everything old villan has said!
Finch
18 Apr 2014 13:53:36
Does anyone know when Jores Okore is due back from his injury? Could do with his strength and pace at the back for the last few games of the season.
Poss not till next season. Would love to see him a gainst Swans & Tigers to ensure we don't need a win against Spuds.
He got injured in September and was out for 9 months which means he'll be back for pre season
17 Apr 2014 20:10:52
Any chance that we can get behind lambert/cowans/given and the team on Saturday and make sure we are safe? Then we as fans can voice our feelings after!
Totally agree to this. We saw this against fulham when the fans booed when we conceeded. What good is that going to give us?
Agree villajk
Need to stay between the team I for one have had enough of the negativity around Villa Park lately. We might not be playing well but getting on the back of the team isn't going to help.
15 Apr 2014 15:00:12
still think i'm living in a world of my own? thngs starting to happen now boys
jimbop
14 Apr 2014 09:11:13
A few weeks back I asked the question about who we would want if PL leaves, only Mendax replied. Now everyone is aware that the prospective candidate is a chumpionship manager is likely to fill the gap. We will not improve if Scrooge fails to open his purse as there are not any quality managers Currently unemployed, and no employed manager is going to jump ship to come to VP. It may wel be a fact that PL is the best that there is available and that is worrying! poyet is saying that he will leave SAFC because they are unmanagable, Zola is without work, but top line managers ZILCH. As for points, I honestly believe that we will only get 1 more this season and that will be against Hull. No good waiting for the others to lose, they are all fighting for their place in the prem and succeding. Lerner needed to be gone last year, this year is too late for PL, Aston Villa and us, the supporters. Please Mr Lerner go away now and let an owner come to VP, one that wants AVFC to be a big club like we all do.
Laudrup?
Luis Enrique (celta Vigo) or Javier Aguirre (
Laudrup, check the eds. comments a couple of weeks ago. Enrique or Aguirre, do you think that they would come to VP? If Lerner stays then bet on a Yank who knows sweet F A about real football. Oldvillan
I replied as well Oldvillan, my vote was also for Laudrup.
I personally think we will get 3 more points, possibly 4.
Managers are a very difficult subject to talk about as everyone has their own ideas as to who would do the job we need.
It is not always managers that have been successful in the past that will be successful at our club.
We need a manager that likes to play football as it should be played, motivates players, and one who can change things on the pitch ie tactics etc and not wait until its too late.
GUUS HIDDINK, would be another I would try to get.
Respected in football all over the world.
Villadave
The truth is that we as fans probably don't know who is or could be available as a manager, globally speaking, if the right offer were made
There are however people at the club who are paid a healthy salary to make this kind of thing their business ie Mr Falconer
In the same way that few if any knew about Benteke, the scouting system identified him as an option and the deal was done. Is recruiting a manager that much different?
A good example would be Pochettino
I'd never heard of him or was aware of his abilities.
However, the professionals at Southampton who make it their business, did know about him and drafted him. It's their job
Fan power brought Lambert to Villa Park, he was hailed as the next Messiah! protege of Martin O'Neil, fan power will see him dismissed. Be careful what you wish for in future.
15 Apr 2014 16:00:26
Marcello Lippi please!. I can dream!
13 Apr 2014 07:42:23
Even though we are playing shocking now I believe that we aren't going to go down. Norwich, Sunderland, Cardiff and maybe even Fulham have a lot of difficult games left to play which they are going to struggle to win to stay up. On the other hand we have easier games which we are making a complete utter mess out of them. I see getting valuable points against Hull and Swansea.
I said exactly the same last week mate.
I thought we had easy games against Fulham and Palace, its utter rubbish, we are just unable to predict anything with this shower.
Villadave
We are creating the chances it's just that we can't finish them off. The Swansea game will be very important because they are also struggling. Hopefully we might get a surprise win knowing us it will be against Man City or Fulham.
Lambert inherited a poor side and has not been able to improve them in 2 years (no doubt, it's a hard job)
Pulis inherited a poor side, cut adrift at the foot of the table and has made them better than us in 4 months.
Forget Lerner, I want him gone too, but Lambert has got to be sacked whatever happens
Who is there to take over as manager? We don't want a championship rated manager coming in.
Agree with mendax
Glen Hoddle, said al along
We already have a Championship manager mate
If we cannot, as a club, find a half decent manager somewhere in a world dominated by football, we may as well pack up and go home
The chance of finding a decent manager that wants to come to a struggling premier league club are very slim. Unless we get a new owner with loads of money we won't be able to find a better rated manager than Lambert to come in.
If that were true, then we are knackered. We may as well accept relegation, be it this year or next
Sorry to labour the point mate but you seemed to be worried that if we are not careful we might end up with an awful manager. We already have that.
We play the worst football I have seen for many a year
We have the worst home record the club has ever seen in it's history
Lambert's buys have been largely poor
We have nothing coming through from the youth side other than at centreback;a position where experienced is required more than in any position on the field. A shocking piece of judgement on Lambert's part
We do have "concrete Ron" of course but nobody mentioned when we bought him that they were talking about concrete that had not set
I could go on but it will become boring. Assuming it hasn't already
I'm off for a lie down!
Most players when asked said Hoddle was the best manager for tactics and always wanted entertaining football these were internationals players
Mendax we are playing shockingly at home but it's the fans who are one week fully behind Chelsea because we have won. Then within two weeks they want him out because we lost a game. Some fans just need to make there minds up. There is good managers out there but they will want big wages something that we struggle to afford. Also we do have some quality youngsters coming though but aren't being used because they are out on loan but I don't know why Gary Gardner isn't playing.
I don't disagree about the Chelsea result and the reaction that greeted it.
I tend to look at the season, or in Lambert's case, seasons as a whole
We probably are not going to agree on Lambert mate but it does seem like we seem to have stumbled into agreement on a few other things
Take it easy
18 Apr 2014 14:25:09
where is Gary Gardner
12 Apr 2014 22:55:35
Well. that's depressing.
Im not going to jump on the bandwagon and start shouting from the roof tops that Lerner Lambert an co need to tent off.
But one things for sure, in the summer things need to start happening.
Either Lerner starts to actively look to sell the club Or he needs to up the wage budget that allows us to go get the quality/experienced players we need.
I'm of the opinion that in the long term having the same manager at times like this will make us stronger and give us a better foundation.
But it goes without saying, it's hard to stay positive at times like this.
Knowing the club is back in the black financially gives me hope that in the summer we will finally see a better quality of player arriving at VP.
>Scg87
After 2 years of utter rubbish and breaking every record for the wrong reason the only thing PL should have is his P45 villajk
12 Apr 2014 21:48:27
Im hearing that next game villa actually win lamberts new contract will be announced deal is set up already just waiting for the feelgood factor of a win to return
12 Apr 2014 17:31:30
Can PL survive losing 4 games on the spin again?
I am lost for words. AGDVILLA
The highlight of today's game was the 'where's the ambition?' banner.
Its not being shown on pitch either, something has to change.
Finch
12 Apr 2014 17:07:54
Both Fulham and Palace have done the double over us this season
We deserve to go down.
09 Apr 2014 21:25:15
absolutley disgusted at the way fans have blasted bennett! are we not meant to support rather then help destroy! okay we are not happy but is this the way to go around things, and I wonder if this is the reason why we can not perform at home
He is paid good money to do a job most would do for free if not up to it he should not be picked by a useless manager
I totally agree with the above, the kid is usuless, go back to Boro!
Bennett is awful at his job and deserves criticism in forums such as this site. (Which he can ignore)
That said, what happened on Twitter was cruel, boorish and ultimately stupid. Does anyone really believe his performances for Villa are going to be affected positively by that kind of personal abuse?
Only weak minded people put the rubbish on sites like twitter. I believe that if you cannot make a statement direct to someone's face then keep it shut. Oldvillan
07 Apr 2014 22:08:21
Hi Ed.
I spoke to you some weeks ago now about Helenius, Can you tell us all what the crack is with this guy, he is not even on the bench some weeks.
I really think this bloke could do a job for us, and surely is just as good as what we have.
He might make that bit of a difference to what we are seeing week in week out.
Our fate will be decided in the next few weeks, and teams seem to have discovered our weaknesses, don't you agree a change might surprise a few.
PL purchased him, WHY.
Villadave
{Ed001's Note - as far as I can find out, through reliable people, Lambert just doesn't think he is good enough. Seems to be just one of those mistakes every manager makes, they see them in training and wonder why on earth they bought them.}
Thanks Ed,
Not the news I was expecting, correct me if I am wrong but PL said Helenius would play a big part for us during the second half of the season.
Making a statement like that he must have felt he was up to it.
The truth is PL has not got a plan B, he never has had and never will have.
Seems to me he has made far more mistakes than is acceptable.
I just think having watched Helenius many times playing for Aalborg that he would be a real threat with his on the ball ability and his eye for goal.
I have no doubt at all that he would score more goals and create more chances than either Weimann or Gabby over 38 games.
Villadave
{Ed001's Note - I would think he was just geeing him up, in the hope he would come good and was better than he had showed so far. It is perfectly normal for a player to be poor in his first season in a new country, then look much better once he has settled in. I think Lambert was just hoping Helenius would settle in and show what he can do. I do agree on Lambert though, I like his willingness to give youngsters a try, but I don't like his tactics (or should that be lack of tactics?). He just doesn't seem to know how to get the most out of players, preferring to play players in ways that do not suit them in the slightest.}
He's been injured as confirmed by his agent.
07 Apr 2014 18:21:04
At this moment of the season looking back is of no use whatsoever, the next two games are the season. Now is the time for the players to realise that they are the only ones that can go on the pitch. Whatever faults PL may have, he is in the hands of eleven on the pitch. You can call for him to go, you can tell Lerner to go, but what I want is the players to stand up and be counted, own the problem, don't leave it to the next man, DIE FOR THE SHIRT LIKE WE ALL DO! If the individual player cannot give his all then he has the backing of 40000 on the terraces to go and find a resting place elsewhere! (I was going to say that 40000 will happily help him go and f. Himself, but I didn't. )
06 Apr 2014 20:46:52
Lots of requests for PL to go, but again I ask who is there that would take on the role of manager of Aston Villa FC? Many managers from lower divisions would fancy themselves but who has the ability to grab the nettle? Look at the problem that Forest have had and they are ending up with "Psycho. " Is that where you see us? He has not set the world on fire.
McClaren, done well away from the UK or even Howard Wilkinson. He rejected the Forest job as he wanted control of the transfers.
If PL goes these are the sort of managers that will be in the queue (only a little queue) for manager of AVFC.
No proven manager is going to jump ship to come to VP so totally unproven applicants will be on the short list.
Therefore should we stick with PL or go for an unknown and be blown away again with some of the lesser managers. I am aware that Laudrup is currently free but he is still unproven in the prem.
Ours is not the choice, but it is for Scrooge to choose, and as his purse has become rusty the applicants will be limited.
I agree, Old Villain, that a lot of our ills are down to Lerner.
However, we can't overlook the fact that this is the worst home season we have ever had in our history. It's also a worse team to watch than the one Lambert took over from McLeish, 2 years ago
I think we have no choice but to get rid of Lambert. I would like to see Laudrup take his place
{Ed007's Note - I really don't understand this clamour from EPL fans to get Laudrup in as manager. There were a lot of problems behind the scenes at Swansea and most of them stemmed from Laudrup himself and some of his ideas and methods. He was sacked after taking an unauthorised personal trip to France and giving players two days off after losing to West Ham, an important game in the relegation battle. There was stories of players boozing on trips, he introduced a ruling that a maximum of 3 Spanish players could sit together at any table in the club canteen when they had lunch and on a training camp to Dubai the only rule set out to the players was the time they had to be on the bus to go to a 2 hour training session, the rest of the time they could do what they wanted, you can imagine what a crowd of wealthy footballers would get up to.
Oh and I almost forgot - he refused to take training if it was raining!}
Ed, if you had Laudrups's hair, would you take training in the rain?
Fair points though. I must admit, I didn't know about the baggage you describe. Must admit it makes me think again (assumming it's all true)
Whatever the case. We cannot go another season with Lambert
{Ed007's Note - I thought Lambert would have turned things round this year, as a Celtic fan I like to see ex-players doing well, but he is really struggling and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a change in the summer. You can take Neil Lennon if you want!}
Enough is enough, Lambert must be sacked now. I am convinced that Laudrup is the right man for the job. I don't care about the rumours, so just appoint Laudrup. He is a far better manager than Lambert.
Ed could the reason you are not a Laudrup fan be, he played for Rangers Lol
{Ed007's Note - You might have had a point if he had, but he didn't so you haven't. Why are you on a football forum if you have no interest in football?}
Sorry got mixed up with his brother who did play for rangers still think Michael is a better manager than PL by the way villa have never had a good manager from Scotland fact
{Ed007's Note - And your point is..........?}
We don't want any Celtic or more Scottish managers they are useless and I have lot of interest in football especially villa, so why get personal about a comment
The most successful managers in the epl are from Scotland, the fact is pl needs money to spend on the team, year on year the budgets are being slashed, and the chairman doesn't want to throw money at villa anymore.
That's not true only AF had success name another. PL is only one left and he should be sacked for the rubbish at villa, and that leaves none
06 Apr 2014 19:36:27
So I believe that we will stay up and not just because of us picking up a good couple of results but because of the fixtures all the other teams have. Our run in is fairly easy whilst everyone else's is reasonably hard. I think Norwich, Sunderland and Cardiff are all going to struggle pick up anymore points whilst we have the chance to win a couple of games and finish on a high. Hopefully we can. UTV
06 Apr 2014 18:27:30
So mr lambert has succeded in loosing 10 home games in a season our worst ever in the history of our great club, so first thing well done you useless excuse for a manager, secondly its now time for this gutless american and his love child faulkener to issue a statement as to what they intend to do about this awful mess they have created in employing this person.
05 Apr 2014 21:49:15
Not there today as I was busy. but to say I was shocked is an understatement. But I say again that PL cannot take all the blame for what happens on the pitch, the players are out there not PL. We have no back up when things go wrong, the players don't seem to have intelligence and don't react to the opposition. Stoke game is an example, they started knocking the ball about and the team were lost. they are not a young team as people keep saying, they are an inexperienced group that are not learning. A few weeks back I did my own assessment of points that we would get ad came up with 35 by the end of the season. Our only hope is that the bottom 4 continue as they have all season and generally drop points. If they don't then we will be in the s. t
Reality check to Villa fans, if you don't win another game this season you could be relegated.
I think we will stay up this season mainly because of the failings of other teams around us, and not our own performances.
I said a couple of weeks ago I felt we would amass 42 points, but after the result yesterday I think it will be more like 37-38, having looked at other fixtures for teams around us I think we will finish about 15th in the table the same as last year but with fewer points.
I think it will be three from Cardiff, Sunderland Norwich & Fulham going down.
Norwich and Sunderland have a real tough run in.
Villadave
Yep have to agree Dave, 37 points looks like the magic number based on the relegation contenders down there.
Theres such a gulf in class from the top 8 to the rest of the league, only way I can see us getting back up there is with hefty investment (55/60mill) would be my guesstimate. let's be fair we'll only get half of that if we'r lucky!
Finch
We don't need a reality check, we know the dangers. the fact that those beneath us have a more difficult run in that keeps us going.
05 Apr 2014 20:23:05
Why are people calling for Lambert to be sacked? I know we are under performing but every team goes through a point like that during there season. Even if he was sacked who would take over. We aren't in a bad position it's just that we missed a few key players today but the team will re group and push to finish as high as they possibly can. I remember after the Chelsea game some people were saying how good Lambert is as a manager. Now after a couple of losses ever one forgets about that.
05 Apr 2014 21:06:09
All the crap between Norwich and Villa fans a short time ago is now a joke, with both sets of fans fed up to the teeth with the managers they have, why not have a swap round, P L still better than clueless C H, Hope he is gone by next week when we have our go at Fulham, good luck for the rest of this season.
05 Apr 2014 18:04:56
1. Where was Delph today? Hopefully he ain't injured.
2. Grant Holt and Matthew Lowton played superb today.
3. Where has Weimann been all season not just today.
4. At the moment Baker has no confidence within himself.
5. If you want the team to win it might help to not get on there backs as soon as they conciede. As soon as the goal went in everyone started to boo the team and that isn't really going to give them any confidence. Before the goal went in and we were passing it about no one cared. But that was a complete different story as soon as they scored. Every Villa fan needs to get behind the team and support them not blame them. If we had got behind the team today they might of played better. And don't boo them off no matter how bad they have played in the first half.
the time has come when words are not enough sack Lambert now the worst home record since 1874 surely says it all the worst team we have ever had the worst manager the worst CE the team deserve to go down as they are the worst team in the league as today quite clearly shows sack him now refuse to renew season tickets wright to the club and e mail now enough is enough
05 Apr 2014 17:05:34
Well that's gone with the usual home form, not that much of a surprise anymore, usual crap from a poor team usual crap from a poor manager. and what he expected bowey to do with 3 mins left god in heaven knows. past caring now. just want the season to end, and lambert to get his p45
I think you've pretty much summed it up there Nick
Not much more to add
05 Apr 2014 16:55:31
Pathetic.
Absolute rubbish, words fail me.
Villadave
PL must be sacked asap, we make Fulham look great could go on but really fed up
It was funny listening to a Fulham fan on 606 saying how well they played and believing they would now get out of it. I was so tempted to ring up and remind him that beating us is no great achievement
How tragic a sentiment is that?
I haven't listened to any post mach interviews with Lambert as I have a decent TV and a lovely DAB radio which I don't want to have to replace!
04 Apr 2014 17:06:39
I guess that we will find out if PL made the right decision in bringing Holt to VP. Could become hero or non Villan? Don't think that PL will take a risk on any body else and now is the time for them all to stand up and be counted. We cannot rely on the other teams failing to respond, the defence must own the problem, not accept that someone else will be there.
Surely now is the time to give a chance to Helenius, I am sure given the chance he would respond.
If you remember a couple of months ago PL said Helenius would play a big part for Villa in the second half of the season.
Well come on PL GROW A PAIR and back up your claims, give the guy a chance.
Villadave
03 Apr 2014 19:35:23
Well at least benteke will be here next season
03 Apr 2014 19:09:49
Benteke out of action for 6 months will miss the World Cup after rupturing his Achilles in training. Who will come into the starting 11 against Fulham now with Gabby also a doubt. I think that Callum Robinson should be given a chance up top been in quality form for the reserves.
03 Apr 2014 19:00:09
Benteke out for 6 months, so I would guess that he will not be off?