Aston Villa Banter Archive May 30 2017

 

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30 May 2017 18:24:09
I come on here every now and again just to see what my fellow Villains are bickering about. My last post was to talk about a type of poison that had infected Villa. I spoke about players not caring. I had a real moan. I moaned because I love my club and like EVERY other fan I have a right to my opinion. However, I really can't believe just how much negativity there is and how little optimism there is out there. I know we've been shocking for a number of years now and it's been hard to sit through but I do feel we're a little hypocritical. On one hand we talk about pampered players who feel they're owed a living and just expect what they've always had but aren't we the same? Haven't we just been spoilt with top level football that we feel we're just owed it. We seem to think that because we're Aston Villa we should have first choice of any player we want. We have no Devine right to get out of this division based on how much money we've spent or how big our ground is. I get how frustrating it is, I really do but some fans just don't live in the now. They're still living in the early 80's. Look at forest, how big were they? Leeds?
Last season when we were relegated we had massive reason to moan but we're in a transitional period now. We all wanted rid of Lerner, paddy Riley and Tom fox. We got our wish. We struggled at the start of the season and never recovered. Negativity breeds negativity. With negativity comes pressure. Some of our players have already failed before they even kick a ball. Some players haven't even signed for us yet and we're already moaning about them. I feel like some fans really need to be brought down to earth . like they preach the players do. Bruce hasn't had a preseason yet and some want rid. He has a great record yet some want rid before he had a chance. It was the same with houlier, MacLeish, sherwood, you name it, we destroyed them before they even had a chance. The past is the past. We are where we are. So my plea fellow Villa fans is let's get some positivity back. In my opinion we're the greatest fans in the world. so how about we start showing it and start backing our team instead of kicking them all the time.
Who knew huddersfields manager? No one but they backed him and his plan and look what happened. Chris houghton, got backed and look what happened. As for players? If they play for Barnsley before us who cares? Support him! Dele Alli played for MK Dons. I rest my case. Villa till WE die.



30 May 2017 19:57:20
Finally a post that has real meaning and sense. thee best post I've seen in quite a while well done Mike.



30 May 2017 20:55:35
Been trying to say this, and failing miserably!
Great post. 👏 👏 👏.



30 May 2017 22:53:45
I remember flying in from ireland to watch villa under MacLeish. Couple of lads in villa shirts on the number 11 bus said they refused to go while he was manager as couldn't let go of hate for him.

You really can't blame the villa fans for being negative. Go back 6 years villa and spurs were neck and neck for fourth spot. Fast forward and we are sat in the championshit while they are challenging for the premier league.

We all know where it went wrong. Get behind Bruce and let's see.



30 May 2017 20:42:54
Agree with everything there Mike except the McLiesh thing, he should never of got the job and his appointment burnt a lot of bridges and is where the negativity snowballed from. Our time will come again, great post though 👍🏻

UTV.



30 May 2017 22:16:37
To be honest mike I was going to give up this site people on here were starting to annoy me on here wanting Bruce out after a couple of months, Bruce wasn't baught in last season to get us promoted he was baught in to stop us from going down which I think we might have done under rdm, I totally agree with everything you say Bruce needs a preseason along with his own signings because I feel Lansbury and Co haven't settled in yet when they came in, in January we were on our worst run of the season I'm a believer in new season new start for maybe 95% of the squad I feel gabby richards gardener amavi elphick and all our keepers should move on, should try get in a younger version of Jedinak I don't think he has the 2 games a week left in is legs but does a good job for the game and half until legs go, I'd like somebody with a cool head in beside Chester.

I think baker is solid just on the ball wouldn't be his strongest point wide left winger we badly need as grealish is not a wide player and green is still not proven but has a lot of potential up top I think we possibly the strongest in the league so all in all we have built a good championship team in 1 season so yeah I think Bruce and the doctor have done a good job in 1 season some people have to realise most of our signings are only going to be scraps that prem clubs don't want all season people on here wanted hutton out of the team for me he was in my top 3 players kodjia Chester hutton Jedinak
Sorry if I went on a bit we need to support our team and stop the whinging.



31 May 2017 13:50:31
Cheers guys. Just to clarify, I too don't believe that McLeish should have been made manager of our club and for a number of reasons. I was purely making that point that there is a section of supporters that don't give anyone a chance regardless of if they're a manager or a player. I have just read a post above this one about David Wagners comments about passion and desire and how important it is. But that passion and desire and possitivity has to come from us too. We have a chairman who is doing exactly what we asked. We want information which he provides. We wanted money invested which he has provided so far. We have a manager that genuinely wants to get us promoted. We have a team that at times last season really showed we can compete in this league and give an good run we can challenge. We have a great foundation to build from again but we are a huge part of that structure. So we could take a leaf out if some "lesser" clubs books and actually show some passion and positivity ourselves instead of constantly moaning about what we haven't got. When I speak to fans of other teams they ALWAYS say that we have one of the best away followings. So passionate and funny. It's those fans we should follow. The true measure of a good fan base and loyalty is to not just sing when your winning.
I know that as a club we're better than where we currently are. As supporters we are way better than what we've resorted to of late. we wear our shirts with pride, when people ask who we follow we tell them. We love that club! We all do. only you'd never guess it sometimes. UTV.



31 May 2017 15:24:58
Wow some great posts, that's what i have wanted to read for most of last season, and said so on many occasions. It gave me a great lift reading them, Thanks for that. vILLA TiLL I DIE!



31 May 2017 19:16:04
Love that some one has disagreed with this whole thread! Lol kind of proves the point!

Head, meet wall!



31 May 2017 20:43:31
I'd get a padded cell flacks or I thinks you might get a slight head wound mate but never fear I'm a trained 1st aider 🤕🤕🤕.



30 May 2017 13:51:28
Not a rumour but just a wish, mentioned him last year and a year down the line he looks even better, fast, strong and good at link play, young striker by the name of ollie watkins at exeter.

what's more he's down to earth and not the big 'i am'. brighton, derby, reading, and the likes of bournemouth, southampton, burnley, and the palace have all sent scouts to watch him this season (just gone), and the knuckle-draggers have been sniffing about too.

the lad is quality and a real handful for defenders, i don't think we'd go far wrong in buying him, so how come steve round isn't on his bike trying to dig up nuggets like watkins? makes even more sense if our financial clout is diminished because of fair play rules?



31 May 2017 08:21:08
Mike's post is the best I have seen,
Yes I am not a Bruce fan but I've said many times stability is the key,
I've said Bruce needs to get his preseason with his players and we go from there,
Christmas is the time to assess then where to go If we are not in the mix at top of table
If there is no improvement then I would seriously think about a change but with the squad we have we have the strongest squad in the championship,
We just need Bruce to get the tactics right and formation,
I really do hope he gets it right because the longer we stay in this division the harder it is to get out that's for sure,
So villa have my backing 100% along with Bruce who I really hope does ram the negative vibes about him from me down my throat,



30 May 2017 00:35:24
Bob Daz Flackie and everybody else on here; everybodys intitled to there view. we are all Villa and want the best for our club. We are not always gona agree with each other but its a forum so I expect that it would be boring if we all agreed.

Now let's just let Bruce buy who he likes doesn't matter what we think its not our head on the block. If Bruce thinks Barnsley players and Lincoin players are going to get us up then let's give it ago. ok I don't think they will but that's my view 1 thing I am 100 per cent on is if it don't work he will be gone.

So point is let's stop the arguing, give him our backing because at the end of the day we got no choice, he's here whether we like it or not so let's all become one and unite. We are a big club with great fans if it doesn't work we will keep trying and trying till it does.

To be honest as Villa fans we have been lucky enough to see us win cups and leagues other people have never seen there club win anything and they go home and away watching there team! UTV VTID let's all pull in the same direction!



30 May 2017 08:36:53
Walkthewalk

Could not agree more with your post,
We are all passionate villa supporters who only want the best for club,
Off course we can't agree with each other all the time that's what a blog is about,
It's all about opinions come end of day,
But let's all calm down and debate calmly,



30 May 2017 08:40:59
You all know by now Bruce is not my choice of villa manager but I agree he needs to get his players in then we decide if he is the man
I just hope his son is not part of the deal,
But that is my opinion again,
For me he is no better than what we have got now,



30 May 2017 08:56:39
Well your half way there walk the walk!

Your right we all want the best for our club, however we also have to be realistic!

I saw a couple of weeks back a post of yours I believe which suggested that we was getting kolarov and Defoe?

It's ok to dream but dreams are not always realistic

You start this by speaking about Lincoln and Barnsley not being good enough in your opinion? So for any players arriving at villa park walk the walk doesn't think your good enoUgh to play in villa colours!

Would you be happy about getting Vardy from Leicester? Because prior to Leicester he played for Fleetwood!

It's ok to say let's all be positive before but your saying into after a negative comment!

Positivity breeds positivity not negative to positive.



30 May 2017 10:04:20
I agree with you mate sometimes iam to ambitious but Iam fully behind the team and want the best for the club like we all do that's why Iam saying let's all pull together! UTV.



30 May 2017 11:30:47
I agree WTW we are all here because we have a passion for the club

But I'm a firm believer in just remaining positive to get the outcome

Maybe I'm wrong but I also believe that some of our recent signings live in the real world and not the bubble some of the previous players reside in .

There is every possibility that the new players who don't have the premier league bad attitude read these forums.

To see some of the comments made about them in my mind is counter productive especially so soon into there Villa careers

Now I may be way off the mark, but I may not!

To me it doesn't matter who pulls on the shirt . Whether that be Ronaldo or a Lincoln City player . I will support them all the same

And we should trust the manager / board to get it right .

The players we brought last year are not bad players they as the top performing players in there previous teams and need the right system, freedom to play and the support of every single member of the Aston Villa family

Some players respond to a rocket up there ass, but others need finess and an arm round there shoulder. That's called man management

In the light of the recent atrocities in Manchester the whole world needs to take a long hard look at themselves and just be happy and enjoy life a shame opposed to being negative.



30 May 2017 12:47:46
Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Bruce got a "war chest" of £1m, until he gets some players out the door, and for proper money, not freebies!

Until that happens, isn't the likes of Barnsley and Lincoln players all he can afford

At the end of the day, the players bought in last summer and in January are on Villa's books, they are Villa players and there are some good players there, surely Bruce's job is to get them playing as one and not a team of "newbies" for Aston Villa.