Aston Villa Banter Archive May 29 2018

 

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29 May 2018 21:43:36
Hi guys this is my first post I've followed this site for years and while I've disagreed with many posts I've always felt everyone has a vaild point. Here goes like everyone I am gutted about the result Saturday, but over the course of the season the best teams went up. I like a lot of fans watch villa with rose tinted glasses and apart from a few bad results I felt we had a very good squad and in my opinion this was down to Bruce he just needed to be braver at times. I don't think we should be jumping on the get Bruce out bandwagon, yes we will need to build again but let's make minor changes not a complete overhaul.



30 May 2018 00:28:16
Welcome VillaGaz, I agree over all, but I think we will be forced into, a lot of change . Some of them may be for the better . If you have followed the page, you will have seen, certain posters have been calling for the youngsters to be given a shout . I think now, with all the financial restraints, we will be needing them . IDepending on who goes and who stays, I think quite a few of them could be gradually fitted in . If Brucie stays, he has to look at it compleatly, from a different angle, financially he won’t have any choice . The next few weeks are going to be vital, for the Villa . A lot of important decisions have to be made, decisions that they can’t afford to get wrong . What ever they decide, we will still be there trying to do our bit .
Onwards&Upwards Villaforever.



30 May 2018 03:17:57
Hi VillaGaz and Davedean82,

I think we will undoubtedly see change as many of the loan players will now return to their clubs after we failed to go up. We may also need to sell to buy if we require players due to FFP, but having said that we are also lucky to have a very talented U23 squad who have been a breath of fresh air this season, so maybe we won't need to buy at all.

I personally have always liked the idea of a young squad, they are hungry for success, more energetic and have that killer pace, it is also a joy to watch the game played at speed. Maybe this is the nudge that Bruce needed to pull away a little from experience and integrate some young blood into the squad.

Players come and go every season so I just tend to go with the flow, but I would like Jack to stay if possible. But if not I suppose the cash generated will be of some use, so it is what it is, he won't be the first good player we lose or the last and that happens at every club. Anyway I'm sure the club already had a game plan for us not being promoted, but what it is we will just have to wait and see I guess.



29 May 2018 21:29:18
I don’t post that often . and am still reeling from the Wembley debarcle to be honest.

Nothing short of a disaster, however the style of play was horrendous.

We’re in the soup and need 40m to balance the books meaning selling our best players .

For me I think we should be selling off some of the higher earners

Kodjia has lost his heart - worth 10 million
Hogan - willing runner but just doesn’t suit the Bruce style of play 8 million

We would still 20 million in the hole . Not that I would suggest this out of anything else but fear of losing Grealish.

But why doesn’t the good doctor get Recon Group to have the naming rights for Villa Park for 20millil. That way we don’t lose any of the star players we have

After all bodymore heath has been renamed why not villa park? . It’s not my first choice but I beats selling some of our decent players

I would also look at bringing in Abel Hernández on a free and if we can stretch Grabban for 4 million.



30 May 2018 18:39:34
Hi Villa_Ken, Kodjia certainly isn't the player he was, whether that is just because of his long lay off, I don't know but hopfully if we keep him he will return to form. As you say Hogan does look lively on the pitch but doesn't score often enough, but Villa will make changes this season and maybe he will fit in and get better service. Abel Hernández I'm not so keen on so for me it's a no, but he could sign and prove me wrong.

Renaming Villa Park may not sit well with all of the fans including myself, but I know we have to move with the times and if it's a means to inject cash into the club it may be a good option. After all they have changed the name of my local pub several times but I and my friends still refer to it with it's original name, so Villa Park will always be Villa Park whatever it is named.



29 May 2018 20:20:46
So, jibba jabba saying grealish is being monitored by man. utd, chavski and the mighty bournemouth!, i fear he will have to be sold, and one or two others won't be upset if another club comes in for them (ah loyalty, good to see it in action! ), so with the ffp ruling and the last parachute payment this summer, the idea of getting in a younger manager who'll want to bring in new players is pretty much a non-starter, so i guess we'll be looking for a wizened old coach, to duck and dive in the freebie market or the lower divisions, yep that's right, someone like neil warnock, so who'se out there to fit the bill, the most obvious is big sam, then you have another ex-brum cast-off in the name of harry redcrapp, scarily gary megson says he'd have a conversation if asked (cheers champ! ), and then you can move on to younger managers mentioned, dean smith, some bonehead who'se been sacked from the mighty sparta prague after one pony season, pardew as usual comes up, as does the name of curbishley (nnooo), i'm sure paolo fonseca will also be mentioned, but the bottom line is-if your a manager, will you want to take on a job with no money as such to spend, half the squad potentially exiting, no style of play as such, and a squad pretty much deflated after the play-off loss, to me this isn't the time for a young manager to come in, if we don't get up this season there'll be no money, dr. tony seems to be showing signs of losing the faith, not to mention the fans being somewhat unhappy, so for me there are 3 choices, either big sam, dean smith or, and this is a bit left field, chris coleman, did wonders with wales, went into the nut house that's sunderland and was starting to turn them around (with feck all money i hasten to add) when he got the bullet, so for me those are the choices unless the chairman cracks open his secret stash and bank rolls us to the promised land, i mean after all, he did say we'd be back in the champions league within 5 years or so, there you have it, nothing to worry about!



29 May 2018 19:52:03
I think we should of stuck with sherwood.



29 May 2018 20:55:10
Sherwood wouldn't have worked, he was far too open and honest with his opinions, that was something the directors were afraid of-remember when he was asked on match of the day if he was worried about the results, and he replied that the whole club should be worried because they were all in it together? i think he was sacked within a couple of days of that-even though he was bang on the money!



29 May 2018 19:23:42
Can't wait for us to sell Kodjia and Grealish over the summer. The one thing we lacked this season was a willingness to attack, we were always so defensive no matter the opposition.
Can't imagine not selling Kodjia and then him going up with whoever he plays for. If Grealish leaves it will be because he is too good for the championship.

Ultimately we needed to not sit back and play defensively, if we played on the front foot and kept the ball we would have gone up. Sick of going to Villa Park and watching us absorb pressure.



29 May 2018 20:57:31
Sounds like a plan, even deadly can't stand the style anymore, and for him to say that is a revelation.



29 May 2018 16:46:39
So not quite good enough. these are the players i think we will be without next season for one reason or another
Gollini
Elphick
Gil
Terry
Snoddy
Agbonlahore
Onomoha
Grabban
Johnstone
Deleat
Samba
Hutton
Gardner
Hogan
McCormegatestuck
Richards
Steer
+ some of the youngsters
Someone has some fancy footwork to do to address that list within the FPR.



29 May 2018 17:46:04
Agree mort.



29 May 2018 18:03:24
Only half a dozen are actually regulars so the situation is not so bad.
We must rebuild from the bottom. We put all our eggs in one basket, no back up, bit like SB'S tactics.
Should we keep SB or say thank you, goodbye?
A more progressive manager to change our style is an essential. Young guy with visible passion, someone that will motivate the players, tell the players that none of their places is secure.
Many of the present group have regarded themselves as certs for the team sheet.
If we don't get back this coming season we could sit in the doldrums for far too long.
The Dr was naive in believing that it would take the minimum time to achieve the holy grail and I think he will make changes very quickly.
The summer must be used to restructure, no one in any position within the club must sit peacefully in their chair.
NO ONE!



29 May 2018 14:17:48
If villa fans need anymore depression story's then I pledge you all to look at Swiss ramble on Twitter,
He is a bit living in Switzerland who blogs about anything and everything about football finance,
Get to see his thread on Aston villa ffp.
It puts our situation into severe trouble even worse than i thought,
I'm told he is quite reliable with his info and please look if you can,



{Ed001's Note - he is excellent, the best on football finances there is.}

29 May 2018 14:36:12
Ed
Very worrying read I must say.



29 May 2018 14:39:28
I had a good read of it earlier, very informative and for me one thing jumps off the page - We will be forced to sell Grealish to balance the books.



29 May 2018 14:55:20
Think grealish is certain to go now
Along with many more,
How true is this rummors coming from the Italian press that we are in talks with Andrea stramaccioni to replace Bruce?
Could be rubbish but if true never heard of him,



29 May 2018 15:15:26
Looks like Mahrez is going to City for 75M, Grealish would be an ideal replacement, think 40M would be a fair price in todays market - If we were offered that I think we would be foolish not to take it, that would surely allow us to keep some of our other senior players and align us with FFP?



29 May 2018 15:38:10
Can't see Leicester paying 40 mill if I'm honest,
20-25 tops I reckon,
But as I said earlier this would just go towards the shortfall with ffp,
We need to raise 45 mill by all accounts,
All this is really depressing me now.



29 May 2018 19:57:33
The naming of the training ground has bought funds in to prepare for this just in case we did not go up. It's not as bad as it looks at the moment. I've been told Bruce will be gone tomorrow and we are going young and foreign. A guy that works with youth. Not this guy that's in the press today though. A young German guy I can't think of his name.



29 May 2018 23:21:51
Any idea who? There are numerous young and talented managers in Germany at the moment, all of which would be looking at bigger moves than Villa I'm afraid.



Review Of The Day 29th May 2018

29 May 2018 12:23:16
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 29th May 2018



29 May 2018 14:43:07
Thing is about the post I put up over the Swiss ramble blog about our ffp,
It could mean even if we sold grealish we would not be able to use the money from the deal.
It will go towards the shortfall,



29 May 2018 19:59:26
That Swiss thing has not took into account incoming sponcers and the money we have bought in for new naming of the training ground. Xia and Keith are way ahead in plans imcase this happens. Jack will stay for 1 more year.



29 May 2018 11:58:37
New goalie
Bree=====chester=======Hutton

Green===hayes=====lansbury====ohare

Grealish,


Davis=====Murphy

Just thinking of a 3-4-1-2 system
Tell me what you think about my hairbrain idea!
If grealish goes than I would put ohare in his position and adomah in ohares position,
Just some think for me to do to take my mind of Saturday's performance,



29 May 2018 10:45:46
Eds what your opinion on Villa it would be nice to hear from a outsider looking in if you know what I mean?



{Ed001's Note - in what way mate?}

29 May 2018 11:36:12
With the manager Ed and also the running of the club. My opinion is after the 5 years we had previous to this on we was in the mire now we have stability back to a certain degree would changing the manager help? Would you keep Bruce? And your opi nion on the messiah that is Dean Smith that a lot on here seem to banging on about thanks mate😁😁.



{Ed001's Note - I have to be honest, I am not that up on what makes Dean Smith so great. I know how Brentford works and he is merely their head coach working to a plan given to him, not sure that makes him all that great. If you do make a change, surely the likes of Hurst (who looks likely to go to Ipswich), Potter (who seems set for Swansea) or the Cowleys would be better options. They have had to create their own way, while Smith just coaches to a set system.

Personally I think a lot depends on what the club want to do, if it wants to continue to plan short term and hope for a quick return, following by a desperate need to start again in the Prem if they do make it, then keep Bruce. If you want to build a long term side to earn promotion and then build on there, then he needs to be replaced, as he does not do that. He relies far too heavily on experience over bringing through youth. Experience costs more, in terms of wages and in the lack of any resale value. With the club under heavy FFP pressure, I am not sure it can afford to stick by Bruce and the experienced heads. It needs to look to reduce costs, Bruce is not the man for that.

If it was me, I would say thank you very much to Bruce and look to a man who will build a side with more youth and vigour, offload some of the older heads that are weighing heavily on the wage bill and start from scratch. Stability is good, but you first need good foundations to build on and I don't see them in place at Villa right now. You have a good academy and it needs a better plan in place to utilise that to build a side. That is not a strength of Bruce's at all.}

29 May 2018 11:56:28
Cheers Ed some very good and valid points you put across there. It's a catch 22 scenario again with us we have chopped and changed over the years I just feel that we need stability and although we failed to gain promotion feel changing a manager will not help. I mean who would have thought JT would have come to us? Surely that is down to Bruce he would have had other offers that's for sure but he chose us why? Because Bruce has got some clout I'm under no illusions that next season is going to be tougher with the teams that have come down being far stronger than us financially. For me Smith is not the answer as some are banging on about if Bruce was to get the bullet your thoughts on maybe Laudrup coming as he would be my preferd choice.



{Ed001's Note - I don't understand why Terry is a good thing? If he had gained you promotion, then yes, paying him obscene amounts of money that required the offloading of players to do so is probably worth it. As it is, he just seems a failed gamble. You twisted and bust with him and the question is whether you take the same gamble again or step back and say it hasn't worked and it is only going to lead the club into ffp problems if we do not change our approach imo. Stability is not provided by a team of 30+ players that need to be replaced.

As for Laudrup, god no. This is a guy who wouldn't take training in the rain while at Swansea. He is not the answer mate. He got lucky in taking over a club that had the right foundations in place and being Laudrup the players initially played for him because of his name. The reason it fell apart is because the name can only carry him so far and he had nothing else to him other than being a once-star player.}

29 May 2018 12:17:36
This is why I asked you Ed because your of your knowledge of what goes on. I didn't know that about Laudrup so that's a big fat no then. I feel JT was bought in not for just his know how on the pitch but his leadership qualities off it as well and yes it was a huge huge gamble which has sadly backfired on us. I feel now we are in the duldrums for at least a couple of years due to FFP and I admit Bruce has made mistakes but also that is down to the coaching staff also. It will cost us again if we get rid paying compensation to all these money we can ill afford to waste now but thank for your views Ed.



{Ed001's Note - good point. It would cost money to start again, but I was thinking you would regain that with a cheaper coach using younger, less expensive players. You do need Dr Xia to be decisive though, to either fully back Bruce or start all over again.

It is a shame about Laudrup, he was one of my childhood heroes, so it is gutting to find out he is a massive letdown in person!}

29 May 2018 12:34:16
I agree Ed we do need a answer this week on where we are going as a club. It was gut wrenching on Saturday to say the least to be fair Fulham Cardiff and Wolves have been the better sides and they all deserve there status in the PL. Again a video has emerged of villa fans fighting each other at Wembley that 3 times this season this debate has certainly divided our fans.



{Ed001's Note - that is quite embarrassing, infighting. Seems like recently old football fan problems are resurfacing in England. The Liverpool fans bottling the Man City bus, the West Ham fans etc. Oh and wasn't there a set of fans (was it Forest?) fighting over pies this season? Worrying that things could go back towards the bad old days of the 80s.}

29 May 2018 13:59:45
With our luck getting rid of Bruce wyness and round will get in pardew or mad Mick to replace him,
Be careful what you wish for comes to mind,



29 May 2018 09:51:22
People on hear need to wake up an smack themselves I agree with wtw Bruce needs to go, he's had money he's had time an failed it's simple it's time to move on his time is up same with pulis, bigSam, redknap, it's now a younger generation of the game managers like pep, Eddie howe, wagner, Marco silva I hate to say wolves manager an fulhams too an others I could name aswell . you have to move on an go with the times, if we carry on with Bruce we will never get out this league, we need a younger manager with fresh ideas, plays good football an who is not scared to play youth an who is not scared to attack.



29 May 2018 11:14:59
Totally agree, we need a young manager with fresh ideas - Football has passed Bruce by.

What are peoples thoughts on players like Richards and McCormack who have been on the periphery of the squad? We will do well to move these players on, can they be brought back into the fold? McCormack was scoring for fun in Australia and Richards was a phenomenon when he was younger, if we can't offload them, can they be used?



29 May 2018 09:30:54
We are all villa fans on hear and all want the best for our team, we all going to have different views on managers an stuff that's life not every1 agrees on stuff but people on, hear get slated for having different views on everything just because they don't like it, it's a banter people put post on bout all sort of stuff bout villa hear so a don't know why people start moaning especially if people start saying they want Bruce out that really annoys people on hear where most people I know who are villa fans want rid, an by the way villa daz I know plenty of villa fans that want dean smith aswell mate, why is he a bad manager he would be good fit for villa.



29 May 2018 09:38:49
I think he would be a perfect fit, plays good football, embraces youth, can work on a budget, wouldn't cost much - He ticks all the boxes.



29 May 2018 10:01:29
Would anybody consider Graham Potter, the hipsters choice I know - Seems very tactically astute and again, works within a budget and develops youth.

I just think, if we are to be promoted now we need a manger that can think outside the box and Bruce for me, cannot.



29 May 2018 10:06:14
We need a miracle worker to sort our our demise
Something drastically has to change to get us back in prem.
Don't know how if I'm honest,
We do need to be more attack minded that's a gimme,
We need more pace that's another gimme,
All I want to hear is some Think from wyness and round to get me thinking they know what they are doing.
And we need to know like yesterday!
We all want what's best for our great club.
The more I hear about this ffp the worse I feel,
I have to admit that if Bruce presists in the same tactics mode as before midtable is where I can see us ending up,
I hate saying that but he must get more adventurous in winning games,
I like the bloke he is honest and by all accounts players get on well with him except McCormack?
The silence at villa park is deafening and we need answers NOW!



29 May 2018 08:53:42
So it was a resounding vote of confidence from the majority on here to keep Steve Bruce put that in your pipe WTW, villa4eva. Dean Smith don't make me laugh if Bruce was to get the bullet and we replaced him with Smith I for one will not set foot in Villa Park again FACT.



29 May 2018 09:16:19
That's probably good thing then ha ha and why not dean smith he's a good manager better than Bruce and his dinasaur tactics and he plays the game the way it should be played.



29 May 2018 09:26:34
My concern with Bruce is, if he couldn't get us promoted with one of the most expensively assembled and experienced squads in Championship history, a squad he assembled himself for the most part, how will he get us promoted when we need to be frugal and think outside the box in terms of signings?

I'm not a fan of calling for managers heads but I think Bruce looks devoid of ideas, seems to value experience over youth and as a result we look very slow at times.



29 May 2018 07:33:11
You can get villa to win the championship next year at 10/ 1?