Aston Villa Banter Archive February 21 2017

 

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21 Feb 2017 18:33:34
berbatov on a pay as you play deal has got to be worth a punt?



21 Feb 2017 21:21:45
Classof82, there are a lot worse out there I just worry about his lack of pace.



21 Feb 2017 21:43:18
Are you drunk?



21 Feb 2017 22:30:52
His legs had gone 4 years ago. It would have to be a transformation of Biblical proportion for him to be useful in the Championship now
I don't think what we need is a once brilliant player, ambling about up front so he can pad out his pension.
Anyone remember Robert Pires?



21 Feb 2017 22:39:37
Former Blackburn Rovers defender Christopher Samba is training with Villa.



21 Feb 2017 23:27:09
Fair point chaps, but i remember gary mcallister joining the scousers, he had no pace but they let nicky barmby do the goffer work for him; i see berbatov playing behind a forward and being the one to make a killer pass, and on occasion net a few, let's not forget sheringham never had any pace to begin with, and he didn't do too badly!



22 Feb 2017 08:07:35
rather robbie keane.



23 Feb 2017 00:20:30
Some great posts. Yes Shringham and McCallister both did Brilliant jobs for whoevr the played for while in their thirties, as does Robbie Keene and remember Big Cyril. Basically we need an experienced quality forward.



23 Feb 2017 11:56:07
The thing is BigC, we the fans can see it, how come the great and the good can't? and just to point out, how ironic (or moronic could be more apt here) that for all the money we've used on transfers, we're now going fishing in the freebie and cast-off bin. you know, like the ones you used to get in woolworths.

things that used to cost over the odds, but come january everything for tuppence! and i miss the pick and mix, which could be used as another metaphor for what's going on.



21 Feb 2017 13:11:08
Second observation of the day. The U23's played stoke last night. Where were the fringe 1st teamers, RHM, Richards etc. Surely the should be busting a gut in the stiffs to get match fit and force their way into the reckoning or am I just an old has been moaning.



21 Feb 2017 16:42:20
southernvillian,
you'd think they would, but i guarantee their agents won't encourage them to try and break into the team. lack of confidence is infectious and they wouldn't want their golden goose going lame, and also, i think bruce is now worried for his job and i don't think he trusts them enough yet unfortunately.



21 Feb 2017 13:00:37
Ok I make no apologies if this goes on a bit, i'll try and keep it short. The defensive problems which are embarrassing us stem to a couple of things. Firstly and this may sound crazy we are getting too many players dragged into the six yard box when defending corners. They get in each others way and chaos ensues. We've all played games where we are 1-0 down with five to go and suddenly the centre back appears up front and just gets in the way. So midfielders should stay put at the edge of the box and put doubt in their minds as to whether or not go in. This then allows the defenders to do what they are meant to do and defend with a bit of room about them. The keeper is not then boxed in and can come and claim. Secondly full backs mark posts on corners not attacking midfielders. Lansbury a six footer standing on a post while hutton at 5'10 marks their six foot centre forward. You don't need an A or B coaching badge to work that one out. Basics Mr Bruce says, well that's pretty basic to me. Other than that we looked a lot livelier than recent games so let's get behind the guys and push through this patch. If Logans out for a bit then RHM must get a shout.



21 Feb 2017 11:36:35
Bit of a long shot, but did any of you see berbatov on match of the day fa cup on sunday - spuds v jimmy's janglers (thats fulham for those of a young age). he looked as fit as a flea, i know he's knocking on a bit, but put him on a pay as you play contract with a years supply of snout at the end of the season if he does the business, got to be worth a punt surely, what do ya reckon?



21 Feb 2017 12:32:09
Could put Messi up front at the minute mate and with our luck he'd be missing sitter after sitter.



21 Feb 2017 16:36:24
Ha, good point Chris, but knowing the way our luck is going, we'd probably sign his younger, lesser known brother messi-uppy!



21 Feb 2017 11:33:03
Great improvement on some of the performances of the last few games, looked like they wanted it. Such a shame about the shambles for the first goal then they lost confidence. Newcastle were second best in the first half.

Second half with a goal up they went harder and forced us back, then the next shambles.

Some of our passing was awful, short slow ball easily seen and stolen.
Some of the play was as good as any buy players must get into position to take the ball after the next pass.

Shelvy directed their midfield telling players where to be to take a pass. Overall a vast improvement sullied by 2 silly moments.



21 Feb 2017 15:38:54
Did anyone notice how much concern the whole villa team had for hogan when he looked injured? Took 5 minutes before only Hutton showed any concern.

This shows the lack of team spirit in the squad! All individuals with no bonding at all. We are in serious trouble of going down, make no mistake.



21 Feb 2017 17:43:29
Wrote about that last night mainbob, they are a joke, Hogan screaming on the deck for ages, 5 minutes later Hutton and Gardner wander over. Unbelievable.



21 Feb 2017 21:49:42
I haven't seen the game but that really bothers me. I read that the Newcastle players waved the physio over?



21 Feb 2017 10:46:58
I have read some of the posts from last night. What i find bizarre is that I'm agreeing with a lot of what people are saying even though some are very different conflicting opinions. I think it shows a few things really, one being that there is more than one thing wrong at Villa Park.

Just before the start of the transfer window Bruce said our squad had too many forwards and we needed to get rid of some and put that money into other areas. So within a few days Gestede leaves even though other forwards go to the AFCON.

Then over the course we also let Ayew, McCormack go and then bring in Hogan. In my opinion we now have no Plan B and no striker to come off the bench and change things. We bought 3 decent midfielders but have left ourselves still having to bring on players like Bacuna to change the game and he couldn't change a bed.

A few years ago Newcastle were relegated and kept all of their players. Players like collochini wanted to leave but Newcastle said no and kept them. They managed their players in such a way that they stayed and fought rather than acted like babies.

I think that there are players who belong to us that are playing really well for other clubs while we still depend on players like Bacuna. There is a good chunk of players that I'd rather never see in a villa shirt again after last season. A lot of players let us down big time but there were still players in our squad that could have stayed.

Veretout is playing well again back in France in the Europa league. Gil has done well in Spain. Adama doing ok at Boro. we've already let McCormack leave and he's scored within 15 mins of being at Forrest.

I sound so negative, but I guess it's hard to find the positives. Last night I thought we played quite well in parts and minus two silly errors we defended quite well and Jedinak was the difference for us.

For me, one huge problem we have is we have spent around £35m on 3 strikers to put the ball in the back of the net. Each one of those players inside the 18 yard box with the ball at their feet have a great chance of scoring. but now ask yourself how much money we've spent on players to get that ball to the feet of those strikers.

Less than £10m on a number of players to get the ball to the strikers. You can have a great keeper, you can have a solid back four. You can have a player like jedinak that breaks up the play.

but then who takes that ball and beats a couple of players before making the killer pass? Who do we have to spray the ball 45 yards to the winger or full back or forward? Who do we have to thread that ball between two defenders to the forward?

Where is the winger bombing down the wing before being thread through? At the moment we're expecting Kodja to do it from the wing and he can but in today's football Villa have been analyzed and they know that if you keep kodja quiet we have nothing else. no runners, no skill, no pass (not that kodja passes much lol) .

In a nutshell, we've spent £35m on 3 strikers and then play a style of football that doesn't play to the strengths of the strikers we've bought? We had a player in Gestede that could score in this league if he had a supply, same for McCormack.

I think we have assumed that if you buy a 20 goal a season striker and we go up and it doesn't work like that. Dwight Gayle cost £9m, Glenn Murray cost £3m, Jordan Rhodes cost £9m, we already had gestede. Why not spend some of that £35m on some players capable of passing a football forward. Or if not, maybe keep the few players we had that could.

Whenever I get on here I write novels so I'm sorry. I just hate what's happening to us and I'm sure everyone of us can see things wrong and they all be different things. I don't think Bruce is the problem but he does look pretty clueless on ideas.

I don't think he knows his best formation or best 11, but because the pressure is on so much he has to keep trying different things to break the cycle we're on, but nothing works.

For me I'd just go 442, back to basics. Only problem is we don't have 2 fit strikers now.



21 Feb 2017 00:07:25
We looked a much better side with Jedinak back, at time especially first half, we looked the better side . When Lady Luck leaves you, you get goals like that . Shes not just left, but slammed the door I reackon .

Feel so sorry for Hogan, ran his socks off again and then that injury . let's all wish him a speedy return and hope it's not to bad Taylor looked better than last game . Our main problem seems to be, everybody is to far apart .

that's why we give the ball away, all our passes seem to be 10yds . we never seem to be in a position, of playing short quick passes . Fingers crossed for next one, definite improvement tonight, except for the result Onwards and Upwards Villa forever.



21 Feb 2017 11:25:05
Fair play for doing a fair review of last night, I wouldn't be able to, I really don't see what more we can do to win, Bjarnson could of scored two sitters, other teams gobble them chances up.