Aston Villa Banter Archive February 15 2017

 

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15 Feb 2017 22:02:10
Guardiola has dropped Aguero one of the best players in English football because he isn't playing the way he wants him to, surely if Kodija keeps being so selfish and missing chance after chance he has to be dropped to the bench.



16 Feb 2017 01:33:41
He is the only 1 scoring get off his back nobodys said anything till Paul Mcgrath had ago at him! People slate our own players Its stupid people booing Grelish fans even sending death threats do you think he will go out an give 100 percent next match for us fans?

No he and all the players that people pick on will not try simple reason they think why should I help you when you treat me like dirt! Kodjia is our top scorer why pick on him his doing his job scoring goals! You want to blame people blame yourself if I was your boss and I kept slating you your not gona work hard for me are you? Us fans are to blame as well people have off days at work they don't deserve to be hammered all the time.

We need to keep the players on side not make them hate us! All these managers can't get Villa wining maybe its not them maybe the players don't like the fans the way they get treated! Get behind the lads there the ones on the pitch trust me if they feel the love they will try. I bet if you seen Kodjia you would have a photo you wouldn't say mate you should be dropped.



16 Feb 2017 09:08:17
I disagree, walkthewalk. It is the manager and the players, who aren't even trying and it has been like that the last six seasons. So, I do understand the fans' frustrations. Bruce must be sacked if Villa loses to Newcastle and several of the players (Steer, Richards, Bacuna, Cissokho, Sánchez, Tshibola, Grealish, Veretout, Gil, McCormack and Agbonlahor) should be sold, if possible and invest in new ones in the summer.

I think that we should also appoint Gary Rowett as our new manager. I don't care if he was recently Birmingham boss, his records speak for itself. For me, he is the one who can turn this around.



16 Feb 2017 09:42:38
So Kodija missing 5 chances a game, not passing the ball, ruining opportunities but because his your favourite favourite player he has to get in the team? You sound like a 5 year old fan boy.

No ones bigger than the team and if he isn't playing like a team and holding us back then he should be dropped no matter how many goals his scored, hence the aguero reference. It is irrelevant how many his scores, he would have double that if he wasn't so selfish.



16 Feb 2017 18:02:42
I agree chris, he needs talking to, if does not listen bench him.



15 Feb 2017 22:12:54
Saw today diarra has been released by marseille. Is it worth forking out the cash in wages to get him in? Might add some bite in midfield.



{Ed007's Note - No point forking out the cash when he wouldn't be allowed to play for you. Player's need to have been a free agent during the last window to be allowed to sign for a club outside the normal window.}

15 Feb 2017 23:54:09
Damn it.



15 Feb 2017 21:34:14
Steve Bruce said we could be in a relegation fight what's clear to me is the team aren't working there socks off and makes me wonder do they like Bruce? losing everyweek can't go on something has to be done or we could go down how long do you leave it before you make a change? We wouldn't have to keep changing managers if we picked the right 1 from the off with a plan an a style of play!



15 Feb 2017 22:00:26
Are you alright mate? Earlier you was pleading to keep Bruce (talking sense for once) . make your mind up.



15 Feb 2017 19:03:42
Villafanmike, your post from last night was bang on mate, I have just got in and had to respond.
You have managed to condense the last 6 - 7 years of misery and failure of our club into a 5 minute read, in all honesty I feel it has more or less covered every aspect of our clubs downfall.

I have to agree with everything you say apart from the bit about McCormack, there is an office with two chairs in and a thing civilised people do and that is talk about it.
I must also add that I think the Dr is doing his very best, and any anger should not be aimed at him.
Apart from that it is IMO by far the best post I have seen on here for years.



16 Feb 2017 01:14:46
Thanks Dave. Appreciate it. I agree that McCormack could have grown a pair. My point started off by saying that he was a good player yet me manage to get the worst outif himlike a lot of the good players before him but I agree he could of handled it better.

I also agree they've Dr does care but I think he has to care as it's his investment. However he does take a very active role which was more than mr Lerner did. I just want the rot to stop. I accept we were relegated because we're poor. I accept we won't go up.

I accept we will have a fightto get up next year buti just want us to be competetive and start fighting. We have everything in our club except the right attitude and guts. Unfortunately things you can't just go out and buy. Thanks again buddy.



16 Feb 2017 17:48:47
Your welcome mate, credit where its due.



15 Feb 2017 17:19:11
Little socks
Little shin pads
Little effort
Little chance of playing for England

Big quiff
Big head
Big ego
Big cheer when taken off

Yes "super Jack" it's you.



15 Feb 2017 20:36:42
Bullseye.



15 Feb 2017 16:23:53
So we changed the manager, changed team and we are still rubbish, what ever the problem is its a big one.



15 Feb 2017 16:49:32
I will correct the above post, as i have been a Villa fan for over 45yrs but i could not think of another word, other than rubbish to describe us.



15 Feb 2017 13:47:41
Looking at the plight of Birmingham, Wolves and ourselves; perhaps the Chinese are not the best investors when it comes to football. They are highly successful in business however football is like nothing else.



15 Feb 2017 17:12:56
What more could the current owner have done?
His big error was RDM but that was an error of judgement. Other than that he's been superb. The man's nationality is nothing to do with it, at all.



15 Feb 2017 18:48:24
So his big error was RDM, don't see Bruce pulling up any trees so on your calculation he is a 50% failure, others would say he is nearer 100%.



15 Feb 2017 23:43:22
Do you really think we'd be in this state had Bruce been in situ since the start of the season? Rather than being jettisoned in when we were on a dangerous slide?
In truth I've never been a massive Bruce fan in the sense that his teams generally lack a clear identity.
What you can't dispute (well you can if you want to sound silly) is that he is a very, very competent operator at this level.
RDM was a mistake from Tony. And yes, it was his biggest. by a stretch.



15 Feb 2017 13:50:45
We cannot simply keep changing or nothing will change! These are good players and a being coached by a good manager. They need time and practise to come together as a team. More changes is not what is needed. Stay up and push from a stronger base next season. GK and centre backs are a must in the summer.



15 Feb 2017 14:34:40
More changes in personal and a different formation again yet still no difference with the result? The manager is payed for getting results, He clearly is not up to being villa manager.

I like how he talks the talk but on the playing field. He is not doing it for me,
This is the biggest job in his career no doubt as a manager but for me it's to much for him to succeed.

I don't like changing managers like we have done in the past but something drastically has to be done. It's not impossible we get relegated it's that serious now.

Since Christmas we are bottom of league as having the worse form,
Very embarrassing for us villa fans! And looking at the next 3 games how many points will we get?

My prediction is 1 point against derby, Could even be no points!
We are dropping like a stone with no signs of stopping and I really do fear for us if a change does not happen soon. The dr will be a very worried man seeing the 80 million he has spent on this team.



15 Feb 2017 15:16:42
This is my point about moaning for moaning sake, you don't even know our next game?! Wouldn't surprise me if you hadn't even seen a 5 second clip from the last two games. Unbelievable.



15 Feb 2017 16:37:14
Newcastle next game away, then Derby home, Bristle home and Rotherham a possible 9 points.



15 Feb 2017 11:45:29
I do not normally post here but felt the need to today. The problem we currently have is too much change. To continue to changes will not change our current plight. We have better players, and experienced manager and still good crowds. The team must form together before they begin to perform. I would like to hear they are playing behind closed doors games with reserves to get their shape and game play sorted. They look like strangers, repetition and practise is the only solution.

The game at the weekend was like strangers playing together. 'Cindy ' Bjarnsom didn't seem to have a position, taylor looked lost, Hogan standing on Kodjas toes, set pieces being disorganised. This needs time to settle, bed and form - then we will see performances.

Summer priorities must be GK and CB - we must stop conceding goals. Again practise as a team will help as will Jedinak returning to fee up Lansbury.

We need a time of no change if our fortunes are to change. It will come, it will get better.



15 Feb 2017 13:40:45
"To continue the changes it will not change our current plight" "we need a time of no change if our fortunes are to change" - Amen.



15 Feb 2017 10:52:51
Probably get ripped to pieces for the next comment but here goes.

Get Mon back!
Under a new owner with funds to spend he will get the good times back.

Still one of the best man managers around who would get this group of players galvanised dare I say even grealish.

Bring it on people!



15 Feb 2017 13:41:12
Your having a laugh.



15 Feb 2017 18:35:55
Your right. bring back the guy that started all the mess to fix it.



15 Feb 2017 10:44:01
Summarizing last night's stats:

57% of the possession
83% of the corners
76% of the shots
Lost 3-1

Someone mentioned somewhere that we are playing 'stable established' teams. Really? I thought we just removed 20% of Barnsley's best first-team players during the transfer window. If that's not destablilizing, I don't know what is.

2 main problems currently: we clearly can't score and we can't defend. Apart from that, everything is fine. Perhaps the reason that the keeper's failings are so much the focus of people's attention is down to the fact that he has absolutely no cover from the 10 blokes in front of him.



15 Feb 2017 13:45:07
No cover from the players in front of him? Play with no keeper last night and we lose 3-1, he is useless, distribution is awful, players screaming at him to play it short quick and get it moving - nope he holds the ball arms come out waving everyone forward and he lumps it up.

Players want it out long quick for the break, there's a man unmarked - nope he waits and waits till their whole team is back in formation and pumps it up. As for the second goal it pretty much sums him up, Sunday league keepers save that.



15 Feb 2017 10:11:20
Hogan needs to be a sole striker. Kodjia is a show pony, not a grafter.
A solid ch is essential. SB needs to change the style
Even kick and rush would be better than what we see.



15 Feb 2017 10:35:12
said this for last 3 games from his first game when he completely ignored hogan countless amount of times, very selfish, but they say great strikers are selfish i guess.



15 Feb 2017 10:22:17
As pointed out on here, barnsley had a settled team, while we where really a bunch of strangers still not playing as a unit, so why doesn't bruce introduce double training sessions to speed up team bonding and create a team ethic, make them do this until kicking and screaming they click on the pitch and then full steam ahead, or have i missed something?



15 Feb 2017 10:21:21
to all moaning fans on here and the sb out people. give your heads a wobble. there is no one better in this division. stability is what we need. the players need direction and to know bruce is the man they answer to and need to do what he wants. change manager now again and who is there.

gamble on young manager maybe. maybe giggs or Yorke but that would be a massive gamble and end up costing us next season as well imo. stick with sb let him get a system up and running the only add one or two in the summer as the amount of ins and out every window don't help either.

then make a run for it next season and I believe we will go back up then.



15 Feb 2017 13:46:55
Well said.



15 Feb 2017 10:16:31
How do you fix Aston Villa?



15 Feb 2017 10:55:53
Unibond.



15 Feb 2017 13:48:32
sack Bruce appoint the local blogger.



15 Feb 2017 17:01:16
Gorilla tape, Duct tape that sticks rough and uneven surfaces.



15 Feb 2017 07:15:55
I posted yesterday about Kodjia not passing
He did try to pass first half and it was woeful
Scored a great goal
But my point yesterday
Second half
Hogan arms out again to Kodjia
A couple of times
Worse
Hogan turned to the bench and same gesture to the bench
Not picking on Kodjia but a theme is developing here
The league have Sussed Amarvi Barnsley hit him every opportunity
Why the Lansbury substitution.



15 Feb 2017 00:14:46
I have read the many many posts on here over the past few weeks and I don't think I have the right to say that anyone's opinion is wrong - because if we agree on one thing, it's that we're not happy. So here is my view for what it's worth. It may be a little long but I hope you stay with me and that it makes sense.

I love my club, I will never turn my back and stop believing, however I do feel that our club is just bad to the core at the moment and has been for a while. I think there is an attitude around the club that is very "care less".

Everyone says they care but do they really. First of all, our academy. Some would say it's one of the best out there, but is it? How many players have made it? How many have fulfilled the potential that we were promised? To memory I know of one and that is Gary Cahill. The list is long.

Bannan, Stefan and Luke Moore, delfonsou, Gardner brothers, Isiah Osbourne, Peter whittingham, herd, lichaj, now Jack Grealish and many more. Our kids won the next Gen series. That's the champions league for youth teams.

Teams like Ajax, Barcelona and others failed and we won - but where are those kids now? Nowhere. Because there is this cockiness about our kids that makes them think they've made it. They're already stars.

They're on £1k/ £2k a week and they just stroll around like they own the city. They have no role models, other than the first team players like Gabby who simply just don't care. Our senior players walk around driving flash cars wearing clothes pretending they're gangstas and the lifestyle they lead just flows through the club. And before inget shot down for that comment I've seen them.

I've seen them out in town. I've seen praised like gods when fans ask for photos and call players like Jack Grealish "Legend". There is a horrible atmosphere around the club that is quite toxic and you can disagree but just look at the players that leave. All the good ones, all the talented ones ask to leave and go on to at least perform at better clubs.

Players like Milner, Barry, benteke, delph, albrighton, young, have all left and tried to get on and we've had a go at each one of them for their desire to leave and try and win things. Has Gabby ever wanted to leave?

No because he is on to a good thing here. £50k a week for one of the worst footballers we've had. And if that's not proof, then look at the players that have joined - because for some reason we can turn a great player into an awful player overnight. McCormack scores goals for fun in the championship yet at our club he can't do it.

I don't blame him for staying at home. If I hd been bought in as the No1 striker only to then be starved of any sort of service by our rubbish football, and then to make things worse you lose your place to Gabby even when two strikers leave for the African cup of nations.

I'd give in. He plays 15 mins for Forrest = 1 goal. Lowton, having a great time at Burnley but not good enough for villa. We can blame Steve Bruce if you like but really? Can all of the last 6 managers be rubbish? Bruce, di matteo, Sherwood, Garde, lambert? Are all of the coaches like Steve Clarke rubbish? They can't all be bad so if it's not the staff then what is it?

It's the club and what runs through it. The attitude that if you play for villa you've made it. On the money we pay for average players is just wrong. There's nothing to fight for. Here's your lifestyle, there is no consequence. There are players that need to leave our club but also the air of arrogance that comes with them

Needs to be stamped out too. We were flying earlier this season but then slowly gabby comes into the team, then Bacuna, and added to players like Hutton and Amavi who just don't care for our club and what happens? We start to fail again.

When Deadly Doug ran our club I felt like we needed him to leave so we could move forward - however this wouldn't have happened if he was still there. He ran the club right through and he didn't stand for any player power.

I'm Really sorry to have gone on and on but I love my club and I'm as passionate as all of you that have read this. We need our ethos back. We need a John Gregory around our club. Someone to kick some backsides.

No one is bigger than our club. All we want is a group of players that turn up and fight for us. Play for us. Just the basics. It's the least we deserve.



15 Feb 2017 09:12:22
Well written post and spot on!



15 Feb 2017 09:21:42
Top post, on the button, i'd rather we were run like the baggies, no-one on mega money, no dramas, well said Villafanmike, well worth the read.



15 Feb 2017 10:01:23
Agree with some of what you say but majority is just odd; the next gen team we're all sold by Lambert and now are first team regulars through out the country, players leave every club - look at Southampton, McCormack had a bad attitude and didn't turn up for training and was over weight - Really hard done by isn't he, players driving flashy cars? You mean like every club in the country?



15 Feb 2017 12:14:00
Villafanmike. I wish you could hand deliver your post to villa park and in large print stick it up in the dressing room. A few home truths might just be the answer to some of our woes.



15 Feb 2017 19:49:09
Thanks guys. At the end of the day we all want the same thing and that is for us to be competitive so we can turn up or turn the tv on and at least know that we will get 100% from the players.

ChrisAVFC: I respect the fact that we're all entitled to our opinions however "odd" they may seem. I too thinknits odd that McCormack has scored goals everywhere until he got to villa. I don't condone his actions. He should man up but how many of us work with someone that is absolutely rubbish at their job, lazy and there work is just nowhere near the standard that you provide for your company.

Then imagine that same employee getting a bonus over you, or being picked for promotion over you or picked for good things while you're left out in the cold. Surely you'd be annoyed. Surely you'd have a problem with that? And that was my point really, that I can understand why he wasn't happy. If i got paid £40k a week I'd do as I was told but I say that because I don't get paid the riches he does.

If that was my lifestyle and money wasn't an object and I knew another company would take me in an instant or that I'd just get paid anyway then I guess I could just throw my dummy out. I don't agree with it but I understand it.

As for the players that leave, again I think you miss my point. Yes of course Southampton lose their good young players but they lose them to Arsenal or Liverpool or bigger clubs. Those youngsters are turned into great young players by the southamptons and then sold on for massive money to be made into great players.

I am missing where that has happened tomour youngsters? My point was that we're told how these youngsters are going to be the next best thing but they never are! The next gen kids were apparently sold by lambert? All of them? You sure? Aren't some of them still at the club? And the ones sold, have they gone in to bigger and better things or do they no play for the prestons of this world and clubs like that? My point is that we never take our kids to the next level! They never grow into the walcotts or bale or lallana or oxlaid chamberlain.

They become football league pedestrians apart from the odd few like albrighton who left us to win the premier league and although lowton wasn't from our youth set up we didn't grow him - we got rid and now we'd give anything to have him as our right back. or I would anyway. I respect your comments and the great thing about football is the difference of opinion but I disagree my comments were odd. But thank you for reading. It meant the 20 mins I spent writing it wasn't wasted. Thanks guys.



15 Feb 2017 21:16:59
Fair play mate now you've explained I do understand you a bit more, I don't get your point tho? Probably just me but are you saying that we are where we are because our youth system isn't good enough?

The players we produce go on and don't do great as you said, so how could we take them to the next level? If their not good enough in the first place? I agree Lowton would be a great option now but it seems under recent managers we had a problem with any fullback who could defend, the problem being the managers sold them all like morons.

But back to your original post, all around the country players are driving in in expensive cars every week, why is it only a problem at our club? I do agree with you but it seems things go on at all clubs round the corner as well as ours but it only effects the villa.

We sign hungry, hard working, honest players, winners, i. e. Hourihane, Lansbury, Hogan, Bjarnson and then they get to villa and their ineffective? Something stinks at the villa at the minute, I know it's early days but something is really rotten.



16 Feb 2017 01:37:11
Your last paragraph was sort of my point, about youth andabout players in general. We sign hungry players like you say and for whatever reason they just turn out poor for us and it's the same with our kids. They come through the ranks and we're told how great they're going to be - only to find they never make it.

None of them. Yet they move on and some prosper and some don't. But they NEVER do here. Callum Robinson was one of ours. So was Daniel Johnson (think that's his name) both at Preston nowand theyreshowing our players up. You're right that every clubs players own the flash cars and that's just today's footballers but for some reason atvilla it's toxic. It's horrible. We have no guts. No fight. Just a weak couldn't care less attitude from a lot of players. A stat that just shows us where we are right now as a club.

Of the 92 football league clubs in England in 2017, we're 91 of 92 on form. Only Leicester are worse. And what are the similarities between us and Leicester? We both have a group of players who think they're way better than they actually are. only at least Leicester have win something to have that belief. Your last paragraph is true and was my point. There's something in the body andbuild of our club that's wrong. Because all of the last few managers, coaches, scouts and players can't be bad. Not all of them. Its not possible. But there's something.