Aston Villa Banter Archive February 12 2015

 

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12 Feb 2015 19:21:19
I think the timing is odd, and a knee jerk reaction thanks to the crazy new tv deal.
I think it however was the right thing to do, just wish had been before transfer window.
I however would like to firstly say, I thought throughout the whole season, and after his words after being sacked, p lambert has been impeccable. Yes it didn't work out at villa, was at times painful.
But the way he has handled him self, his words after, and I believe he meant, where spot on, showed the guy as a true gentleman. I believe he had the villa at his heart and wish him the best for the future.

Now, I pray that we as a club are now clever.

I would love glen hoddle as our new manager. And this sounds crazy, but for the rest of season, would like Niel warnock with him!
Warnock will get us through this fight, hoddle will create a great playing style!

Opinions!! How wrong am I??

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12 Feb 2015 19:27:43
Glen Hoddle would be great but doubt warnock

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Hi Flackie.
I think I would be nice after 8 - 10 mil handshake !!
But I have to agree that he has been a gentleman about all of this, and its sad to say that maybe it has been part of his downfall.
Hoddle & Warnock why not indeed.

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That's a good point Dave!!

I read it was 3, but either way, ridiculous amount of money!!
A grant said no to coming today!!

Who would you have??

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I am like you Flackie, Hoddle for me mate.

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12 Feb 2015 16:26:25
A new manager will have to work under the same restrictions that PL has worked under.
Little money, youth development, buy cheap etc etc.
The culprit is still with us!

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Yes that is somewhat obvious Oldvillan.
Apart from your Chelsea`s, and Man City of this world most managers have to work within a tight budget, David Moyes did it.
The difference is they don`t bring down a shroud of dismay upon the clubs they manage.
Example: dire football, poor entertainment, unwanted records, dwindling gates, unhappy supporters, steady decline, poor team selection, negative approach, lack of ideas, poor coaching, oh I almost forgot shocking results.
The culprit for most of that has gone mate.
I agree Lerner is not ideal, but we now have a chance do don`t we ?

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{Ed002's Note - All clubs have to comply with FFP constraints - Manchester City have been severely punished for not doing so. Chelsea have made a profit in their transfer dealings for the past three windows.}

Not sure what you mean Ed, I understand all of that to a degree, the point I am trying to make in reply to Oldvillan is that Lambert is no different to most managers who have tight budgets, but at least they entertain and score goals, we have gone backwards big time.

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{Ed002's Note - What I mean is that Chelsea and Manchester City also need to work within a budget - so your separating them out is not correct.}

Dave, try giving your wife only half the housekeeping and see what a shroud of dismay falls upon your household.
When money is really short something has to give and Lerner kept the money short but PL gets the pain.
A bit unfair. We need Lerner to go forth and multiply if we are to get our club back up the table.
If he fails to supply the money who do you think will stand on the trap door next?

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Hi Oldvillan.
My wife and I have been there in the past mate, but that is hardly a comparison is it.
Two different scenarios.
As I have said I agree Lerner will be better out of it, and if you think 8 – 10 mil is pain well something is wrong, I certainly don`t feel sorry for the man, he tried and failed and still made statements that all was ok.

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To be honest I'm tired of arguing this point. It may surprise you OldVillain but we all know that Lerner is a major issue
He still is, of course
There is nothing prophetic in your condemnation of the man. You're preaching to the converted mate !
That does not mask the naivety and damn right foolishness of many of Lambert's decisions. The man was clueless
Let's get it right. We may still go down, I don't know; none of us do.
Yesterday morning however, I was certain, we were going down
That is the difference that sacking Lambert has made

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Ed.
I think you have misunderstood me.
Can Burnley, West Brom, Everton etc afford to buy Benzema or Suarez, no they cant, because they have a budget that they can afford so I think I am correct in mentioning Chelsea etc in this instance.
I am giving an example of financial power nothing else.

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{Ed002's Note - Chelsea would need to sell players to the same value in order to buy Dave.}

Was it 8/10m?
Think what that would have done in the transfer market. PL did buy several good players and if Lerner had given him that money we may not be in the position we are.
However PL is now confined to history and we wait to see what Lerner does next, after all his history on picking managers isn't exactly good.
I just wonder if the announced prize money influenced his decision to sack PL?
Whichever way it's looked at Lerner must get out.

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Lerner want's to go; that's why he officially put the club up for sale
One problem with selling something; you need someone wanting to buy it
No point bleating about it, hopefully it will happen soon.
As for this supposed 8-10 million quid pay off to Lambert : None of us know what was in his contract but I doubt it will be anything like that. As for what Lambert could have done with £8 million in the transfer market ? He'd have spent it on securing Tom Cleverley given the opportunity !
(Thankfully Cleverley saved us from that fate)
That kind of deal on it's own would be grounds for dismissal due to gross incompetence as far as I'm concerned.

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12 Feb 2015 14:50:28
Robbie Neilson at Heart of Midlothian.

He's proven himself astute, and capable of dealing with limited resources. He also believes in developing players, which is what our lot need.

It could be the out of the box thinking that would keep us up.

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{Ed007's Note - Robbie Neilson is a good young coach but he is nowhere near ready to take over an EPL team plus I don't think he is what Villa need right now, you need someone who is going to come in and immediately set about ensuring your EPL survival. I wouldn't be surprised to see an experienced man brought in between now and May with the club looking at a young progressive coach coming in during the summer.}

12 Feb 2015 09:01:02
This is a shocking time to sack him, the board at villa haven't got a clue wait until after the transfer window closes ( is that because a new manager would have wanted money to spend ) I'm reading that it's going to cost 4-10 million to pay lambert off and we couldn't afford to buy anybody in the window it doesn't make sense to me, I'm reading some of the names been thrown about here and none of them have the experience of a dog fight we need a good man manager in to lift the players I think we missed that with pulis, so we have to be carefull who we wish for here after all we all wanted lambert, just a taught wouldn't Andy Gray give everybody at the club a big lift ;)

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{Ed001's Note - depends on if the club can afford to pay him more than he gets from BeIn Sports or not? I remember he used Everton's job being available to get himself a big payrise in his Sky days.}

Hi Mick, you are having the same thoughts that I have stated several times.
Who?
Lerner is unlikely to get a top man to come so we could end up with a make weight.
Lerner jumped when he saw the money available following the announcements. As you state had Lerner given PL the money he is going to have to give PL for sacking him (for actually doing the job he was asked to do) he could have bought in a good striker during the window.

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How on earth would you know what Lerner is having to pay Lambert for sacking him ?
Have you read the contract ?
Is it in the public domain ?
No

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Mendex I never said I knew what it was going to cost I said I had read what it might cost

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Villamick, I was addressing Oldvillain's point about losing out on a striker because we are having to pay Lambert off

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Mendax, I was comparing what is being rumoured as a pay off and you could have got a striker for that amount of money.
But it is now history and we await the next chapter/choice of Lerners outstanding record in getting managers. I would not be happy with Sherwood whose record was worse than Villa Boas at Spurs but a story in a FAST Daily suggests that Pullis's WBA contract is being looked at for a release clause.

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But you stated it as a fact Oldvillain
To suit your argument, no doubt

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